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Hypocrisy

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Posted By : ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMUNITY! | Comments : 44

You asked for it!


Was I wrong to complain about two posts; one religious and one homophobic, that were inappropriate and risked the site being taken offline? Further to this, am I a hypocrit if I then try to defend my actions, in the process inadvertantly, but not directly taking a blog "off topic"?

Seriously, am I the only one who thought the comments were out of order? Free speech is one thing, but showing a complete lack of respect is quite another.

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# Posted by Coldplayer - 13/04/2010, 13:46 (GMT)

Is Hipocrisy the same as Hypocrisy except it involves Hippos?


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 13/04/2010, 13:47 (GMT)

There is no such thing as free speech. It comes with a burden of responsibility.

We all know what is and isn't appropriate on this site.


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# Posted by LAST GANG IN TOWN - 13/04/2010, 13:48 (GMT)

No Comment.....
Apart from Religion and/or sexual preferences have nothing to do with Music, and as this is a site about Music why raise the subjects here.
I bet this post has vanished by supper time.....


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 13/04/2010, 13:50 (GMT)

Good grief. Hahahahah


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 13:50 (GMT)

@ VLC - No hippos were harmed in the editing of the blog title.

@LGIT - as one of the offending users, that is one almighty turnaround. Why raise the subject here? Because you ASKED for it!


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# Posted by LAST GANG IN TOWN - 13/04/2010, 13:55 (GMT)

Stop talking about the 'almighty'..... more religious references on a Music site....tut tut.


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# Posted by Anthem - 13/04/2010, 13:58 (GMT)

someone lost a sense of humour methinks


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 14:00 (GMT)

Would like to try and keep it "on topic" for at least 30 minutes Anthem.

Come back later!


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# Posted by LAST GANG IN TOWN - 13/04/2010, 14:00 (GMT)

What happened to the Kiwi Fruit comments.....more bloody censorship.
Lets talk more about the Andrex topic from the Chimes blog.....that was funny.....


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 14:02 (GMT)

If you want to talk about toilet roll, start a new bog.

(See what I did there?)


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# Posted by VANKWISH - 13/04/2010, 14:25 (GMT)

who's gonna take the site off line??
ok, I understand people get offended at some "inappropriate" comments but it's the same people all the time, look down as many blogs as you want, it's the same names over and over again. let's try get on ladies and gents, bloody ell, were only having a laff at the end of the day.
keep calm chill out and get along. apart from that chrissy, he's a right fekka!!!!


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# Posted by Scott - Metalleeka - 13/04/2010, 16:15 (GMT)

The problem is that every single person has a set of boundary's in their own head. Give people freedom and the boundaries that a majority of people find acceptable will be breached.
If you then try to gently enforce the boundaries by putting rules in place, then you get the situation where people will deliberately teeter on the line of what is and isn't acceptable.
Then you will eventually have to go down the hardline of enforcing the rules rigidly, but then who wants that?

I threw an almighty strop in Nov and quit the site because of the constant bickering and the threats of major clampdowns and just the general lack of community and friendship, and the thing I have noticed since coming back is that the same arguments are going on. The same culprits deliberately make provocative, oppionated comments to either enforce their point of view or enhance their reputation as a rebel against tyranny, and even more criminally, the people that react to them, as showing by the 90+ comments that dalek loves garlic gets every time he posts etc.

How we proceed from here on in is only decided by each individuals intentions to this site. The wind up merchants will continue to wind up. The suckers will continue to get sucked in, and the people that try to keep the site on track will be regarded as "dictators controlling the freedom of speech"

So I guess you choose how you want to use the site, and try to ignore what you feel is inappropriate and let the site moderators decide what does and doesn't cross the line.


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# Posted by Scott - Metalleeka - 13/04/2010, 16:25 (GMT)


"So I guess you choose how you want to use the site, and try to ignore what you feel is inappropriate and let the site moderators decide what does and doesn't cross the line. "

Let me re-phrase the last bit :

So I guess you choose how you want to use the site, and try to ignore what you feel is inappropriate and let the site moderators deal with whoever crosses the line


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# Posted by Big Drummer Boy - 13/04/2010, 16:35 (GMT)

well said Scott. If you dont like it, ignore it, if you feel its offensive, report it and move on.

enjoy the rest of it !


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 17:00 (GMT)

@Vankwish - Were you not around when Mr NWB took the site off line because of certain comments? Some people couldn't cope for 24 hours without acess to NWB. As NWB content now comes high up in Google searches, the chances of someone stumbling across an inappropriate comment is increased. These comments, in extreme circumstances, can be reported to the site host and the site can be taken down. Or the site can be taken down at the owners discretion.

I'm genuinely devastated that I'm being vilified, labelled as blog police or a "dictator controlling the freedom of speech" for reporting religious and homophobic statements. Is that the level that this community aspires to? Is that what you all find amusing? Clearly I must be missing something.


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 13/04/2010, 17:02 (GMT)

I'd be proud to be called blog police for doing the exact same thing. As I said, No such thing as freedom of speech.


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# Posted by mr.nwb - 13/04/2010, 17:08 (GMT)

Just to repeat, I've been contacted numerous times by solicitors about inappropriate content being posted on this site.

Please THINK before you post anything remotely racist/homophobic/slanderous.

Not only are you putting yourself at risk, you are also putting me at risk also.

@ LGIT - I keeping a watchful eye over your comments/posts, I've had quite a number of people (Both members and non members) who have taken issue with your activity on this site.


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# Posted by mr.nwb - 13/04/2010, 17:08 (GMT)

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# Posted by Roj (Black Rose) - 13/04/2010, 17:33 (GMT)

Can we please talk about something constructive instead of all this rubbish, it's a complete waste of time.


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# Posted by Dresden North End - 13/04/2010, 17:39 (GMT)

Thought y'd finished with this one, just a repeat of the blog that was on the other day. Is it needed ? People voiced their concerns and it was dealt with.
Let it go man

Mark


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# Posted by hulkamania78 - 13/04/2010, 20:29 (GMT)

Got to say Paul cant believe people contact solictors about comments on a forum blog. What a joke there are some wankers on here. Sorry your time is wasted with fucking mard arses fuck off if you dont like any comments on here.

I could of been offended but by the same turn I have offended people as well its horses for courses. Grow up people. And people wonder why myself and others put our opnions out there it proves as I have said before there are to many musicians on here who are up there own arses and need to realise they are a two bit pub band not fucking Led Zep etc.


Also on a side note ST's views on The Gay Pride walk are not shared by the other 3 members of WHATEVER and we support him in his way of life.



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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 20:34 (GMT)

Chris - you know I can't give you the grief you deserve for that comment without being hoist by my own petard. You win this time damn you!!


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 13/04/2010, 20:41 (GMT)

Hahahahahah


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 20:47 (GMT)

Needless to say - drumstick to the back of the head on Saturday son!! Watch out!!


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# Posted by Willow (of somebig™Fish) (Reti... - 13/04/2010, 20:51 (GMT)

@Hulk - "Got to say Paul cant believe people contact solictors about comments on a forum blog. What a joke there are some wankers on here"

As has been pointed out before, this site is viewable by people other than members of the site. And, whilst not wishing to carry this debate on any further there are quite clear offences against the law relating to racist/homophobic/etc comments. NOT that i'm saying i would have thought anything on here went that far, but i for one wouldn't want it testing.

Willow NOT stoking the flames!!
peace, out!


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# Posted by LAST GANG IN TOWN - 13/04/2010, 20:56 (GMT)

OOOHHH I've been singled out and been given a warning....new blog coming very soon.....


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# Posted by Bass Bloke - 13/04/2010, 21:07 (GMT)

Why is all this shit being brought to the fore yet again ! and yet again by the same person ?

perhaps its you that has the problem not others ,
Have you tried a less offensive site , like perhaps a sunday school site or summat ?
TRIG


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# Posted by VANKWISH - 13/04/2010, 21:09 (GMT)

@socialtornado.
yip was around then, I believe it was 1 person who got the back up of 99% of members on here(names held to protect the innocent), I even had a blog removed that I thought wasn't insultive to anybody, I took it like a man and even said sorry.
I do understand that complaints will be made, god even gene hunt had one for saying "that bird in her underwear"!!!!
however, I do think there should be an ellement of free speech, most say for all the time I have been on here, I have only ever read one thing that I would have found to be a direct insult at one individual, what 1 person finds insultive 100 others just find funny.
on this subject.... enuff said.


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 21:18 (GMT)

It's come's as no great surprise that you disagree with my views Bass Bloke. I don't have a problem. I don't even find most of it offensive. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly hasn't understood that I'm only trying to protect the forum. And anyone who thinks it isn't harming the forum or has the potential to do so is too stupid to understand or too stubborn to admit it.


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# Posted by Anthem - 13/04/2010, 21:23 (GMT)

seeing as the blog is called 'hypocrisy', isn't referring to someone as stupid just because they disagree with a point... offensive therefore hypocritical?
just making an observation


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# Posted by Bass Bloke - 13/04/2010, 21:25 (GMT)

This forum as far as me and my old mates is now nearly gone for us , because we cant be arsed with the YOU SAID IT HYPOCRISY!

HAVENT YOU NOTICED WE HARDLY COME ON AT ALL . IE Dyehouse, Myself ,Keef, the fun as we knew as well gone ,but you and yours wanted that anyway ehh ?

Also
Had you not started this useless blog ,ie same old same old , nothing would have been brought up again ,




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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 21:27 (GMT)

@Anthem - I didn't call anyone stupid. I reckon most are just stubborn!

@Bass Bloke - Why would anyone not want you guys on the forum? I can't think of a single reason how you could reach that conclusion!


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# Posted by Anthem - 13/04/2010, 21:35 (GMT)

these are worrying times my friend, there is too much emphasis on political correctness. Reverse racism, reverse sexism and the like are far more insulting but no one batters an eyelid. My wife is Israeli and Jewish and the shit we have to put up with is sickening to be honest but we just laugh and GET ON WITH IT. If you can't laugh at yourself, you have no right to laugh at all and what a terrible place the world will be be without laughter. Is that what we want? it is closer than you think


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# Posted by Anthem - 13/04/2010, 21:37 (GMT)

Posted by Socialtornado - 13/04/2010, 21:18 (GMT)

And anyone who thinks it isn't harming the forum or has the potential to do so is too stupid to understand or too stubborn to admit it.

sorry mate.....you did


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 21:38 (GMT)

Posted by Socialtornado - 13/04/2010, 21:18 (GMT)

And anyone who thinks it isn't harming the forum or has the potential to do so is too stupid to understand or too stubborn to admit it.

sorry mate.....you did

Not directly tbf


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# Posted by Anthem - 13/04/2010, 21:40 (GMT)

just making a point that it is soooo easy to take a comment out of context, not having a dig so please don't take it as one


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# Posted by Bass Bloke - 13/04/2010, 21:40 (GMT)

Forget it then Dude , perhaps my paranoia is getting the best of me , shit day at work , shit life , shit band , who could ask for more ?

Just cant see why you brought the blog up thats all !


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# Posted by 45's - 13/04/2010, 21:42 (GMT)

Why are we talking about a hypo called crisy ?

Rick


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 21:45 (GMT)

@Anthem - no offence taken.

@Bass Bloke - Sorry if you feel that way. I have no beef with you or yours. Keef, Willow, Rick45s will give you a character reference if you so require. I've sent you a PM and I see no real reason to carry on our spat. I posted the blog after being challenged by LGIT and in hindsight, it was a poor decision. That's not to say that I back down from my opinion that NWB should not be a breeding ground for racist, religious or homophobic comments. I make no apologies for bringing the topic up. Then again, I'm an opinionated so and so by my own admission.


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# Posted by LAST GANG IN TOWN - 13/04/2010, 21:49 (GMT)

ST
Thanks mate, dropping ME in the shit again.....
Mummy, it wasn't me....it was LGIT.....SPLITTER.


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 21:53 (GMT)

@LGIT - sorry buddy, that's how it went down!! I'm not trying to make matters worse for you. If it's any consolation, I think you have been singled out to a certain extent. But then if you stick your head over the parapet, you're gonna get a head shot.


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# Posted by sinnerboy - 13/04/2010, 22:37 (GMT)

Yyyeeeehhhhhh! I've got it now.
It's a manual digging implement = not a spade.
Andy Pandy was neutered = so he couldnt be Randy.
The colours of the rainbow do not include black.
Who is responsible for Nursery Rhymes? I was born in 1955, and my favorite was bah-bah black sheep ---- for Christs sake its about a bloody lamb?
Dont let this site become a slave to political correctness please.
We are ARTISTS, it is our edge, our difference from the norm, our unwillingness to conform that leads us to the Arts. We have long-hair, shaved-hair, ear-rings (some of you anyway, oops, sorry homophobic!), tattoos, piercings, wear strange cloths, daft hats, jewelery, smoke dope (not me), do free-love (sorry showing my age again), write protest-songs ---
AND WE LIKE TO SPOUT OUT A LOAD OF CRAP SOMETIMES == Free speech for all Artistic Bretheren on what I assume is a site for ARTISTIC BRETHEREN.
Please back off blog police - free speech for musos on NWB.


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# Posted by Bass Bloke - 13/04/2010, 23:18 (GMT)

well i have had a bath , wound down , chilled out had a beer and Im ready for Bo Bo's
SO CHILL DUDES !

G-NITE !


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 13/04/2010, 23:34 (GMT)


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