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Vanilla Lounge, Wigan - Venue Review

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Posted By : Ecliptica | Comments : 16

A little different to what we expected!!


A few people on here and in person have been asking us to see how the gig we did at the Vanilla Lounge in Wigan went down.

Well...

Some may know this venue was formerly known as Fever, and had a bad reputation attached to it because of its...crazy client ell! But we thought we'd give it a go because we're still very much a learning band, testing out venues, testing out songs etc.

When we arrived there it was in a back street and you would never know it even existed unless you were directing someone! A lot of us have lived in and around Wigan all our lives and virtually most of us didn't know where it was!

When we arrived at around 8, there was just us and a couple of friends we invited there! We hit the stage at 9, which was a nicely laid out stage and the size was just right for us...but....we were only playing to the bar staff at this point! The layout of the venue was actually great, it had a relaxed feel to it with dimly lit surroundings, however, all of us were forever thinking this was a cocktail bar and was too sure why bands or music followers would seek this venue out for live entertainment.

Personally I didn't speak to any of the staff there, but the reception I got from the others in the band was that a couple in particular were a bit, 'too serious'. Normally we would accept this if we were walking into a historical music venue with a reputation to uphold and lead, however, this was empty at this point and it was hard to interpret and understand their feelings on a band playing. One woman in particular insisted on us using their sound system to put background music on whilst we took a break, and to be honest, at this time, our PA isn't the greatest because we're still in the process of funding a new and better one, but theirs was worse than ours! The speakers crackled a lot and made it hard to listen to the music comfortably.

To cut the rambling short, when we went back on for our second set of the night, the people started to pick up a bit and people started to come in around 10, half 10, which started to show hope in our performance. However again, apart from a group of girls who were briefly in there, a lot of the punters were distant and didn't necessarily look like they expected a band to be playing in this venue.

At the end of the set there was an awkward moment of us having to go up to the staff to ask for payment (which is never cool in our books, it should be accountable for the staff to approach the act at all venues - this is just my opinion!)

Personally, if I was to go here I wouldn't expect a band there, I'd go to this venue maybe for a quiet relaxed night with a date, and then move on swiftly to a more upbeat venue. It seems like its a relaxed venue, and one which seemed a little, out of place in the centre of Wigan.

I know some people may disagree with this review, but this is simply how we felt on the night and after the gig, I think there was a general agreement in the band that we wouldn't play here again because of the 'out of setting' feeling the entire place gave off for live music.

Hope this was helpful to all those concerned!

Peace

Ollie

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# Posted by TEX & THE HARDCORE TROUBAD... - 24/05/2010, 12:05 (GMT)

very honest and much appreciated review, how did the payment system work, were you to take the door charge or what?


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# Posted by The ascension - 24/05/2010, 14:03 (GMT)

Like your candid,honest review,Ollie.Been there ,done that.It's all a learning curve,ain't it.
Keep on,keeping on yeah!
NEIL


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# Posted by Whatever! - 24/05/2010, 14:33 (GMT)

Great self review there and very honest.


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# Posted by Ecliptica - 24/05/2010, 14:57 (GMT)

We agreed a fee on the phone before the date, but the guy we agreed it with wasn't even there, so we had to go over to them and ask them and quote the fee...a little awkward!!

We've learnt a lot already in the little time we've been going...still a long way to go though! :-)


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# Posted by Invisible Ducks - 24/05/2010, 15:59 (GMT)

Good review my band were thinking of getting a gig there but might give it a miss thanks for the heads up.

Tony


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# Posted by TEX & THE HARDCORE TROUBAD... - 24/05/2010, 18:22 (GMT)

mmm, I am havin 2nd thoughts about the place now, cheers for the info lads


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# Posted by King-Fist - 25/05/2010, 12:42 (GMT)

Guys n gals, we played there in March. Its a nice venue and yes its a little of the beaten track (behind the notorious King Street). However, we agreed a door charge with Paul the owner (normally we agree a fee first). The night was a resounding success for all and very busy. Paul does try to promote the bands and we found him to be a nice approachable chap. Okay we had to put music on during the break etc but that meant the music was selected by us to match the rock night that it was intended to be. Seeing as we are local lads to Wigan i suppose we helped the atmosphere by promoting ourselves to people we know locally to try and get people in there. However there were plenty of stangers in who did not mind paying the £2 door charge to see a decent rock band. We are back there in a couple of weeks and are hoping to repeat the success from the last visit. Pop down, your perceptions of the place may change.
@ Outlaws. If you are playing there, give Paul a ring and see what he is doing to 1. promote you to the public and 2. agree how you are going to get paid. Yes the door charge is a gamble especially if nobody turns up. It maybe worth trying tp promote yourselves and let all and sundry know when you are playing there and to get their arses down to support you. When are you playing BTW?


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# Posted by King-Fist - 25/05/2010, 12:45 (GMT)

Oh 3. make sure Paul is going to be there and if not to make sure somebody there knows what the hell is going on and how much your fee is if you agreed one.
Again quite surprised with what happened to Ecliptica but am only comparing against our experience.


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# Posted by TEX & THE HARDCORE TROUBAD... - 25/05/2010, 13:17 (GMT)

Cheers matey, n thanx for the advice


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# Posted by Ecliptica - 25/05/2010, 14:38 (GMT)

Don't get us wrong, I think we organised the gig originally with Paul that guy you're referring to, and he sounded nice on the phone and stuff, about promoting the gig...Maybe we just built ourselves up after the phone call after what he told us, but yeah he wasn't there on the night so was a bit awkward in that respect.


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# Posted by The Press Room Wigan (formally... - 30/05/2010, 17:20 (GMT)

Hi there this is Paul from Vanilla, sorry you had a bad experance. Most of the nights we do go down really well, and more on the lines of the night we had Kingfist on.
I think there is one important thing I need everyone to note which the guys from Ecliptica didnt mention. They replaced a band called the Meerkatz at the very last minute. They pulled out on the Monday due to the drummer going in hospital for some emergency surgery and fair play to them they pulled out all the stops to get a replacement band.
Which they did in the shape of Ecliptica, I briefly spoke to the guys from the Outlaws ( hope this doesnt put you off guys) but we decided it wasnt a good idea as they where due to play at the Boulevard the following week and we didnt want to put anyones nose out of joint.
In both mine and Eclipticas defence we only made the arrangments on the Tue or Wed to play the Fri so not much of an chance to promote. But more in my defence, we have young original artist bands who play for beer tokens and bring large followings and I give them the door charge, and if its a good night i will top the money up. So yes the night was a bit of a desaster all round but if I am paying good money for a band I do expect a bit of a following, but we both understood it was short notice.
Maybe as the guys said its a learning curve and I should have just put a dj on at such short notice.
BTW their are two top of the range PAs in the club, but they come with one of 2 engineers, who come with a charge.
And the guys chose to use their own system.
There are a few issues I have based on the comments the guys said which I think I need to take up with my management. Ric if you could give me a buz as I cann't find you number there are a few things I wanted to ask you but in confidence. Maybe next time I can be there and we can get it right. But really It should work without me anyway
Cheers and thanks for reading


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# Posted by Glyn H - 30/05/2010, 18:03 (GMT)

interesting...

i am more of the opinion that it is the venues job to get the punters in, and the band's job to keep them in... it is quite unfair to assume that a band will bring their own crowd especialy the more established bands that have been on the circuit a while. as friends and family will have seen them before.


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# Posted by The Press Room Wigan (formally... - 30/05/2010, 18:33 (GMT)

Yes I know what you mean, not saying its there job but it helps if there is a bit of a following as it means there is a few peps down in the club early doors.And as we all know there is nothing worse than an empty venue.
Most of the peps that know me, know im new to this and im having to learn quickly.
Its just that most of the bands that have played have brought a following, and in the short time I have been doing this, that is what has happend, so I though that was the way. But fare comment I will take that on board.
I have started a membership scheme where I get peoples email and phone number, I prob have bout 400 of one and 250 of the other so I market to them each week with eposters and texts posters (if thats a real thing)so as I said I do as much as I can but any advice would be most welcomed.
Paul


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# Posted by Invisible Ducks - 30/05/2010, 18:46 (GMT)

A band should plug there gig and get as many people down as they can but its not always possible it might just take time to get a reputation for being a good live music venue


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# Posted by Glyn H - 30/05/2010, 19:12 (GMT)

i'm quite sure that all bands plug themselves to death, via myspace and facebook and get as many people as possible down. but this cannot be relied upon, Thanks for taking note, Vannila Lounge.
maybe start bands off at a later time in the evening. most people will meet up with friends early doors and prefer to have a quiet chat for an hour or so and move on to a live music venue later on.

it might be risky at first but perhaps you should consider specialising, and going for Tribute bands. they demand more money and a highet door charge but if it is a bigger venue with in house PA, it might be worth a punt.

Guns or Roses on here would perhaps be a good place to start. they are great! and with the right promotion could be a house filler.

G


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# Posted by Make More Noise Ltd - 04/06/2010, 01:55 (GMT)

I Understand that covers bands cost quite a bit, but that includes a PA they bring, so maybe covers bands should have different prices based on equipment?

for instance, 100 without pa and 200 bringing their own PA?
just a suggestion!

also, 3 days and Paul Managed to organise another band, and put them on, if you ask me he pulled that off amazingly! not many people would of done that! for bands that haven't performed before down on any nights I can tell you!

The Staff are extremely friendly, the engineers are brilliant to work with and we HIGHLY recommend the engineers equipment, they have spent a lot just to make sure you bands get the highest quality of sound!

To the quote of:
'i am more of the opinion that it is the venues job to get the punters in, and the band's job to keep them in... it is quite unfair to assume that a band will bring their own crowd especialy the more established bands that have been on the circuit a while. as friends and family will have seen them before.'

It totally depends on the scene, if its an event, everyone should chip in together, its not fair to expect the venue to do all the work for you, the same way the band shouldn't expect to do everything, its a team effort, if everyone works at it the outcome will be a lot better.

also it could work both ways with 'bands that have been on the circuit a while' surely that means they will have a better following because they have built a fanbase?

Adam


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