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Noise Meter to become LAW ???????

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Posted By : Rumble Fat Band | Comments : 28

All, Please read the blog and sign the petition.


Another piece of proposed legislation that will adversely affect live music
in the UK:

It appears that the government wish to consider, (for consider read "implement"), it a legal requirement in the new tax year to introduce laws insisting anyone applying or re-applying for an entertainment license must have a noise control device fitted to the venue. This will be the final NAIL for ALL entertainment in the UK as the level at which these devices CUT you off is dreadfully low and damaging. I posted a blog in November about this and the proposed level mentioned then was 70Db. About the same as a hair dryer.
Someone has organised a petition on the Government Petition Site. I urge you ALL to sign it. Not only will this law affect musicians but the whole musical instrument industry, fans, venues.......
Just imagine that vast stock of gear you have would become worthless.
PLEASE DON'T DISMISS THIS. Spread the word and get everyone you know who loves live music to sign the petition. Bands, family, pets, venues, fans just get everyone you know to sign it. No one is saying it will make a difference, but if you don't try, you don't know.
PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION HERE:
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoNoiseControl/

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# Posted by 'BLUE SLICKERS' - 09/01/2009, 13:20 (GMT)

I've signed, we all should!


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# Posted by Phoenix - 09/01/2009, 13:24 (GMT)

Job done, mate. Cheers for highlighting it.


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# Posted by Papa Legba - 09/01/2009, 13:25 (GMT)

I'll sign it now, don't believe this, how ridiculous...


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# Posted by AndyBassOrGuitar - 09/01/2009, 13:32 (GMT)

Just done the honours. Cheers


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# Posted by The Half Monty - 09/01/2009, 13:33 (GMT)

Fucking scandalous...............they wont be happy til theyve taken every last crumb of pleasure from the working class..............Im off to sign this petition and im gonna get everyone i can to sign as well. Thanks RFB for bringing it to our attention.


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# Posted by Papa Legba - 09/01/2009, 13:40 (GMT)

I've just posted it on my facebook and emailed everyone in my address book too - the live music industry is suffering enough as it is without more stupid legislation


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# Posted by Big Drummer Boy - 09/01/2009, 13:56 (GMT)

Have just signed, and emailed the link to everyone I know.


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# Posted by R.A.O.B. CLUB TYLDESLEY - 09/01/2009, 15:03 (GMT)

how do i go about signing it?


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# Posted by Rumble Fat Band - 09/01/2009, 15:05 (GMT)

Just paste this link into your browser.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoNoiseControl/


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# Posted by R.A.O.B. CLUB TYLDESLEY - 09/01/2009, 15:41 (GMT)

found it, signed it, sorted now, cheers


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# Posted by WOLFPACK - 09/01/2009, 17:06 (GMT)

Signed it....what's next? Urine Level Meters!!!


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# Posted by The Half Monty - 09/01/2009, 17:06 (GMT)

Ive started a facebook group about this and got 18 people in the first hour!! We need to make a stand against this BULLSHIT!!!!!!! Everyone sign and stop the killjoys!


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# Posted by Angel Of Sin - 09/01/2009, 17:17 (GMT)

Folks - it's not happening. There will be no 70db noise meters in your venues. The legislation is already in place and refers to the duty of care that employers have to employees about sensible sound levels now being applied to venues as well as other places of work.


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# Posted by WOLFPACK - 09/01/2009, 17:37 (GMT)

So i wonder if the urine level meters will come in then?
;-)


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# Posted by viking - 09/01/2009, 18:09 (GMT)

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# Posted by SABRE - 09/01/2009, 19:41 (GMT)

number 10 have had use of my pen.


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# Posted by Rumble Fat Band - 09/01/2009, 23:44 (GMT)

# Posted by Angel Of Sin - 09/01/2009, 17:17 (GMT)

Folks - it's not happening. There will be no 70db noise meters in your venues. The legislation is already in place and refers to the duty of care that employers have to employees about sensible sound levels now being applied to venues as well as other places of work.

Here is the original article that started this off. It is an addition to the existing legislation.

Headline: Pub music noise ban to curb binge drinking
Source: Mail on Sunday
Issue Date: Sunday November 16, 2008
Byline: Tom Harper
Page: 35
Word Count: 570
Edition: 1ST
Story Text:
THE Government's latest proposal to combat Britain's binge-drinking epidemic is to turn down the volume of music in pubs and bars.
Landlords could be forced to outlaw all entertainment louder than 70 decibels - roughly the same as a hairdryer - to curb alcohol-fuelled violence and anti-social behaviour.
A Labour taskforce has been persuaded by research which showed that loud music in pubs made customers buy more alcohol and drink it faster.
At present, there is no set noise level for licensed premises, the only stipulation being that if pubs want to host live bands, they must make a formal application to the local council.
But researchers found that deafening music speeds up drinking patterns by drowning out conversation and arousing the brain.
When sound levels were louder, the average number of drinks ordered by customers rose from 2.6 to 3.4. The time taken to drink a small beer also fell from 14 to 11 minutes, according to the study by France's University of South Brittany.
But pubs claim a limit on noise would put an end to televised sports events and comedy nights and leave jukeboxes barely audible.
Mark Hastings, of the British Beer & Pub Association, said: 'There is absolutely no evidence to suggest a link between music and binge-drinking.
'This move is akin to a sledgehammer cracking a nut - the Government already has the power to put whatever conditions it chooses on any individual licence. That would target the problem venues rather than banning music, dancing, comedy and entertainment for everyone.' The news follows a warning to a
Commons select committee last week by Feargal Sharkey, frontman of Eighties band The Undertones and now chief executive of British Music Rights. He said stricter licensing laws are making it increasingly difficult for smaller venues to obtain live music licences.
The taskforce also proposes meetings twice a year between licensees and the police. But the industry estimates this would run to 400,000 meetings a year and take up 33,000 police working days.
The measures could either be enshrined in new legislation or used to amend the 2003 Licensing Act.
The annual cost of hospital treatment for alcohol-related problems has now reached £2.7 billion and more than 40 per cent of all crime is linked to drink.
Since the extension of drinking hours, the number of youngsters treated for alcohol abuse has soared by 40 per cent.
Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve said: 'This is a desperate attempt - the Government should concentrate on getting the basics right. Putting police on the street and enforcing the laws already in place would do more to combat alcohol-fuelled disorder.' The document makes no mention of minimum pricing for drink, despite Government-backed research showing that cheap supermarket deals are linked to binge-drinking. Last year, The Mail on Sunday revealed that some stores were selling beer more cheaply than water.
Other moves being considered are a ban on pub promotions, such as free drinks for women, happy hours and the sale of cocktails with suggestive names such as Sex On The Beach.
The draft code also proposes cigarette-style health warnings about the dangers of alcohol to be displayed in shops, bars and restaurants.
The Home Office said: 'This document is a draft and should not be taken as an indication of Government policy. Ministers have yet to take any final decisions.'


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# Posted by viking - 10/01/2009, 02:10 (GMT)

re: rumble fat band-
check out the two url addresses i have posted-they show both what a local authority propose to do and what the ACTUAL current legislation revision involves. nowhere can it be construed that there is threat to live music, per se - the main thrust of the bill is to enforce stricter "best working practice" amongst the licensed victuallers particularly those who have employees who are consistently subjected to high levels of noise.
whilst remaining apolitical-it would be fair to observe that, over the years, the mail group of newspapers has openly declared antipathy to ANY labour government and has not, when reporting many contentious issues, held a totally objective and unbiased mission objective. any "stories" carried by said newspaper should be read carefully and with close scrutiny, in doing so it is fairly straight forward to identify the many inconsistencies in the reporting, particularly between the headline and the actual copy beneath. it would, also, be reasonably simple to spot the "hidden agendas" of some of the people "interviewed".
angel of sin are absolutely right-the main people the legislation affects are breweries and landlords/ladies, who will be scrutinised to ensure that their staff have access to information and resources to limit the risk of deafness or other hearing loss through constant exposure to high noise levels.
seems reasonable to me.


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# Posted by Rumble Fat Band - 10/01/2009, 09:45 (GMT)

Hi Guys,
Cheers for that but this is a new legislation they are trying to pass. The government are apparently trying to "sneak it in" before the next financial year. Regardless of the story above I was made aware of it by 2 of the agencies we work for. It just reminded me of the story in the MOS.
I should have the relevent links soon and will post them.
At the end of the day i am just highlighting the issue and it is up to the individuals to make their own mind up. Either way better safe than sorry. There won't be any point complaining when it has happened.
The number of signatories has trebled in the last 24 hours.


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# Posted by green alchemy - 10/01/2009, 12:11 (GMT)

re. viking.
whilst my ego says no, my common sense tells me that every one should have the right to a safe working enviroment. I'm provided with ear defenders at work for occasions when noise levels are considered to be unsafe and i'm certain that every user of this forum would agree they too would want their hearing to be protected at unsafe levels. there have been enough articles on the subject of loss of hearing through playing music in music magazines. Paul gilbert is a good example of this and has posted hearing test results on his website. My own ideal is that the landlords have an obligation to their staff, the patrons who listen to us take it upon themselves to do so knowing the risks, and we the performers owe it to ourselves to not subject ourselves to exessive volumes, i for a while now have used tuned ear plugs and whilst i get some frequency loss its not enough to make a difference to my playing. Its common sense.


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# Posted by WOLFPACK - 10/01/2009, 12:52 (GMT)

This should please the landlady @ The Old Market Tavern in Alty then. Who hasn't been told to turn down by her at some point? Last time there she complained "I can hear you upstairs!"
Oh my god, surely not upstairs?

You'll see from our 2009 schedule we ain't going back!


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# Posted by Rumble Fat Band - 10/01/2009, 15:05 (GMT)

re: Green Alchemy, Viking.
Trouble is this legislation is being brought in on the back of the "Binge Drinking" issue. This will not just affect Live Music venues but anywhere that has a Jukebox, Television etc.

+1 for Earplugs. I have been wearing them for a good while after coming away from a Gig and my ears were "ringing". Decided on the sensible approach as i ain't going to be much good withou them.


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# Posted by Ian from Bolton - 10/01/2009, 17:52 (GMT)

Signed.


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# Posted by Charlie & Norma - 12/01/2009, 13:41 (GMT)

Thanks for the heads up RFB......signed


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# Posted by Fury UK - 12/01/2009, 17:30 (GMT)

We recently had to play below 98DB in Blackpool and that was way below what we normally play at ....... 70DB would be unhearable, might as well get an accoustic!


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# Posted by I.C.O.N - 13/01/2009, 11:01 (GMT)

Job done. Signed and forwarded on to muso mates. Being a musician is hard enough without all this!


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# Posted by Rumble Fat Band - 13/01/2009, 11:18 (GMT)

Forward to any friends, family and fans. They will also be the losers if venues shut down.
Imagine your partners having to put up with you at weekend when you should be out of their hair enjoying yourself.....


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# Posted by Kingpin (Keith) - 13/01/2009, 23:07 (GMT)

Signed


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