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Kingpin at the Ighten Leigh

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Posted By : Tubthumper | Comments : 24

I finally see'd Alyerpal......


Well I've been and gone and done it. I went to watch Kingpin this afternoon/evening at the Ighten Leigh in Burnley which is pretty much Burnley's primo music venue - renowned for only really putting top quality bands on.

I was late getting there on account of an ambulance blocking my cul de sac for half an hour just as I was due to leave but was still hell bent on going. As I drove up to the Club I was a bit intimidated to see a massive throng of people outside on the patio/car park. I'm not overly keen on crowds (that's why I choose to hide behind drums much of the time when out and about - it's a bit debilitating at Asda admittedly but the locals are getting used to me) but I felt assured that it probably meant the club was half empty and assumed it to be interval time. Not so. As I paid my quid (and worth every penny) and went into a packed club part way through a rousing Skunk Anansie cover I discovered that the place was absolutely heaving. In fact I haven't seen it so busy in a while and I've seen some good bands there. It's particularly impressive given that Burnley Blues Festival was in full swing this weekend and there was a lot of competition for the music viewing public of Burnley today.

I caught the last 20 minutes or so of the first set and had a proper sulk on by the interval. I really wasn't expecting them to be this good. There was a small guitar solo cock up in the penultimate number which cheered me up slightly but then it soon went back to far too good for my liking. I say almost because as good and full as the sound was for a 4 piece with "only" guitar bass and drums I do prefer more separation in the drum sound and found the kit slightly woolly sounding. However, this is due in large part to the venue itself which is notoriously difficult to sound engineer - wall to wall soft furnishings and an extremely long room. I can't fault the drumming whatsoever (goddammit) and was heartened to see an almost total lack of "drum wanker" song endings which are a personal hatred of mine.

I moved to the back of the room for the second set as I felt like a complete div stood on my own for what felt like an eternity between sets (it wasn't but try as I might I could not pluck up the courage to say hello to Alyerpal who was sat inches away from me as I tried not to look like a complete Billynomates for far too long). Interestingly the sound was still great right down by the pool table notwithstanding the mass of bodies in the way. The audience at the back of the room were the "out for a drink and largely indifferent to the band" types but straight away in the second set they were all singing along, glasses aloft and much more engaged than I've seen previous audiences be.

There was much more audience interraction from the singer in the second set (which was my only other very slight niggle from my limited experience of the first set). He actively engaged with the crowd from the off and they were quick to reciprocate.

I will never again cast aspersions on AYP's age and/or physical prowess. His ability to carry off bright red converse hi-tops with shorts may be questionable but his ability and stamina at the kit is no longer in doubt. The energy and tempo of the songs I saw would have had me stropping had that set list been imposed on me. I hate having to play romps but AYP scampered through every tune with ease.

There was one drum wanker ending in the early part of the second set which made me smile. The "how low can you go" rock stance adopted by the bassist at times made my eyes water. I feared he may split his kipper. The singer could have at least worn trousers that didn't have massive paint splodges all over them. Honestly, where's the decorum. I couldn't stay for the whole of the second set because I had to leave to make voodoo dolls and stick pins.....er I mean I had another band I'd promised to go and see.

Excellent band. The banner/bass drum logo was especially impressive. Not sure about the projection of images onto the backdrop, I'm unsure whether it adds to or detracts from the performances but it's a trivial qualm. Brilliant gig. I hate them all.

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# Posted by bassdude - Kingpin - 24/04/2011, 23:24 (GMT)

lol!....nah, haven't split me kipper yet!


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# Posted by Willow (of somebig™Fish) (Reti... - 24/04/2011, 23:28 (GMT)

Sorry .... never seen Kingpin, but .... if you're going to review ,
please explain to the general public what do you think is a "drum wanker" song ending""

Got to agree, only from previous photos, about the "paint spattered" stage attire

Other than that
Bring On Kingpin to a venue near MEeeee now!!!


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# Posted by JOHNNY MEERKAT - 24/04/2011, 23:44 (GMT)

@Willow You lazy git ...get to see 'em they're ace :0)

This is a quality band ..paint splats, dodgy shorts plus converse..kipper spittinn considered ..but Feck me there aren't many bands as good as AYP, Ian, Paul n Keith on the circuit....Believe me I've seen quite a few!

Skips

PS I quite like the rock stance & the projector.....but I was a rock god in the 80's PMSL

Skips


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# Posted by Tubthumper - 24/04/2011, 23:45 (GMT)

"drum wanker": adjective.....to romp around the kit with wild abandon and wanton indifference to any external factors (like noise abatement orders, elderly audience members for whom a percussive wall of sound may cause unnecessary interference with hearing aids and/or incontinence issues etc etc). Its the percussion equivalent of guitar wanking and is not to be read as in any way a reflection upon the character of the deliverer of said ending (though I daresay some of them are wankers, who knows!).

I don't like big self indulgent drum endings because I feel very silly delivering them. Therefore I pooh pooh them in self preservation and use all my feminine wiles to persuade those with whom I play that a dead stop would better serve the song with or without dainty cymbal chokes.

I'm happy to report that from what I saw AYP is of the nice tight succinct ending fraternity. Annoyingly, even his brief foray into drum wanking was neat and orderly......godammit again....back to therapy and jazz drumming lessons.....


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# Posted by Defunct account - 25/04/2011, 00:28 (GMT)

Cool. Nice review by the way. Thanks for the new adjective for our thirsty drumming monkey - is there a similar one for a geetar man who eggs her on?


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# Posted by the stories - 25/04/2011, 01:16 (GMT)

a lot of detail in there ..is there an aspiring editor in the making ?...its pretty good to be honest ..we espire in our reviews.


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# Posted by 45's - 25/04/2011, 12:33 (GMT)

@ Tubthumper... at the risk of being told to shut the f@@k up, please explain to AYP what "odd time" means.
We were supporting a very excellent band last night at The (very excellent) Griffin and the band struck up with Pink Floyd's "Money" and I asked Al very politely "Have you ever covered songs that have been written in odd time?" (wish I hadn't - lol).

His reply - "What the f@@k is odd time?" - "just learn the f@@kin' song as you here it !"

As I was explaining that "Money" is 7/8 then 4/4 then back to 7/8 - he got very, very, very aggressive and had to be restrained by his brother and his personal driver, pmsl. I nearly fled the pub for my and the wife's personal safety.

What should have turned out to be a pleasant evening, turned out to be very odd indeed.

So Miss Tubthumper, can you please explain to AYP? - be prepared to be verbally abused btw,

Wick.

ps, oh and please say seven and NOT sev. as I did - not worth the aggro ! , lol.


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# Posted by Tubthumper - 25/04/2011, 13:06 (GMT)

You are quite correct Mr Wick in that Money is not in cut....nay...."common" time ie 4/4 but alternates between what those who generally see the dangers in not wearing hi tops with shorts would know to be seven/eight (nay....sev/ate) and 4/4.

I suspect AYP may secretly (or not so secret now given his outburst) be of the oomp-pah fraternity whose idea of "learning the feckin song" is to mentally chant oomp pah oomp pah oomp pah oomp oomp pah etc as he plays.

I'm glad you warned me about him. I thought he had a dangerous look. You just can't trust a drummer with facial hair. I'm pleased he appears to be ignorant of music theory (NB a crotchet isn't a dirty word). I feel all superior again. Order is restored.


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# Posted by JOHNNY MEERKAT - 25/04/2011, 16:03 (GMT)

AYP told me you had facial hair ..The Barsteward!


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# Posted by The Cottonhouse Shakers - 25/04/2011, 16:17 (GMT)

If I may be allowed to display my pedantic streak for a moment -

Money is in 7/4 and then 12/8

But then again, that's coming from a guitarist.


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# Posted by Tubthumper - 25/04/2011, 16:33 (GMT)

@ Johnny Meerkat - I do - goddammit again, maybe he CAN be trusted in some things, god this is going to get tricky. How can we tell?

@ TCS - I will concede the 7/4 point as I've always thought it to be 7/4 and seemed to be in a minority amongst drummers in that regard so sold out and jumped aboard the 7/8 bandwagon. I can see where you're coming from with the 12/8 point as if it would avoid the faff of writing the fills out with triplet symbols but drummists of my acquaintance (and experience) will always go for 4/4 given the chance! The lower value doesn't seem to bear much relevance to drums to be honest (unless the bass drum ostinato is busier than the hands). I've yet to find a drummer who can adequately explain to me how the lower value is determined (myself included). Bloody hell, that's the most sensible I've been on this forum in a while. Need.....to.....lie.....down......


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# Posted by 45's - 25/04/2011, 16:38 (GMT)

For those who don't know AYP, he is a diamond geezer and will help anyone at the drop of a cheque... er .... I mean hat, lol.

Seriously you won't meet a nicer guy and I'm proud to call him a mate,

Rick.


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# Posted by Tubthumper - 25/04/2011, 16:48 (GMT)

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ what he said. Nobody has been more welcoming (and accommodating of my eclectic sense of humour) than Mr Yerpal. I'm looking forward to meeting him properly next Sunday when I shall be in full on Spielberg mode recording the charidee gig. Rumours that I intend to edit the footage unfavourably to make all the drummers (I think Al is 3 of them?!) look awful in order to satisfy my need for smug omnipotence have been grossly exaggerated.

They're true.....just exaggerated.


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# Posted by The Cottonhouse Shakers - 25/04/2011, 17:46 (GMT)

@tubthumper - you are right but then again I'm not a drummer...well not a very good one! haha.

The lower value is down to the feel of the beats although it can be confusing. All compound time signatures (multiples of 3 OR swing/shuffles) are 8's eg- 6/8, 9/8, 12/8. This can be clearly heard with the cymbals and pretty much every drum fill on Money. 12/8 is basically a "4/4 shuffle" - that's all most drummers need to know.

The 7/4 section of the song also shuffles but as it isn't a multiple of 3 I would write it as dotted notes in 7/4. (there is an arguement for and against in this case.)

The confusion comes with time sigs like 3/8 which could also be written as 3/4, the latter being the prefered choice.

Incedently Dave Gilmour says that Money is in 7/8 ......but then again what does he know?


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 26/04/2011, 12:11 (GMT)

'Kin 'ell - I can't have a day off without getting a slagging!

Very nice not ta meetcha Tubthumper!! - I have it on good authority (my 22 year old daughter) that converse and shorts are completely acceptable attire as long as you don't wear long socks.

The facial hair is to draw the eyes away from the face!

As for time signatures, when you can neither sight read nor write music, the discussion of whether 'Money' is in 7/8 or 7/4 is completely irrelevant.

Personally I learn tracks by sense of smell.

Plus the fact that everyone on here knows I can only count to three and have to add an 'and' for any other number, ie the count in for a track is 'one, two, three, and'....!

Just make sure you say hello on Sunday so I can ignore you properly instead of ignoring you in ignorance!

AYP


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# Posted by Tubthumper - 26/04/2011, 13:54 (GMT)

I'm thinking the presence of camcorder and tripod etc is going to act like some kind of beacon that and the fact I like to take photos from extreme angles like from under your bass drum pedal makes me suspect that there's little prospect of getting in and out unnoticed in my usual ninja mode.

I will grow a beard especially for the day, wear my blue converse hi tops with shorts in homage to your superior knowledge of fashion and shall be wearing a bannerman cape and leaping around with a homemade banner proclaiming "Alyerpal 3:16" in an attempt to throw you off your none timekeeping. I may also arrange for the buffet to be brought out during your set to see what happens to your ability to play when presented with conflicting smells.


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# Posted by Willow (of somebig™Fish) (Reti... - 26/04/2011, 14:10 (GMT)

i'm at work so I can't stay long but would just like to say :

this is genuinely funny

:0)


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 26/04/2011, 14:18 (GMT)

Aaah, but what if there is more than one be-bearded, tripod wielding, converse clad lady with a banner, eh? How will I know you. You'd probably better get someone to tell somebody to make sure they tip one of the people in the pub off that it might be a good idea to point you out to me.
Just to be on the safe side.

On the buffet side, I can cope with that; not only can I smell in 5.1 surround sound, I can also eat in marching time!

8-D

AYP


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# Posted by Tubthumper - 26/04/2011, 16:06 (GMT)

I will wear a smurf hat

And I can't eat in time. I'm more frenzied than that with food. Kind of a free form jazz eater.....I'm all over the place with it and you never know when I'm going to stop one course and go into another. Sometimes I even mix sweet and sour. People often clap throughout my eating. It's very odd. But polite.


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# Posted by THE JACKSON KAY BAND - 28/04/2011, 13:00 (GMT)

just dropping a quick line to recommend that anyone who doesn't like drum wank endings not to come and watch us because our set is full of them, I just cant help myself. I must have "drum wank turretts" or sumink! and they all go bump tap, bump tap, tiddilidy bump tap crash! and not just at the end of songs. The turrett's can kick in at any point start middle or finish. .....It's ticking again .....I've got to finish my post with ...............bad dap, bad dap, bad dap, bad dap, dap dap (Phil Colins style). :0)


Dan (the moody drummer)


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# Posted by Jump the Shark (Andy) - 29/04/2011, 16:58 (GMT)

Please can all blog posts and replies be like this in future!


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# Posted by Willow (of somebig™Fish) (Reti... - 29/04/2011, 23:26 (GMT)

"they all go bump tap, bump tap, tiddilidy bump tap crash!"

call THAT a drum wank ending?????????

Sheesh I'm not even a Vulcan and I can tell that's a bit LAME!!


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# Posted by THE JACKSON KAY BAND - 30/04/2011, 01:43 (GMT)

ha ha....I missed a bit of the fill out....my standard fill goes along the lines of ...bump tap, bump tap, tiddilidy bump tap crash,...., bad dap, bad dap, bad dap, bad dap, dap dap (phil collins syle).....bump bump ba bump bump ba (we will rock you style) .tap diddliiap-tap bump crash! (circus style)..

Learnt it all from one of those youtube linear drumming tuturial clips. :0)


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# Posted by Willow (of somebig™Fish) (Reti... - 30/04/2011, 01:47 (GMT)

Two (2) cymbals in a " drum wank ending"

pah!!

I like the "diddlilap" tho!!!

:o/



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