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When A Pub Gets It Right

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Posted By : WOLFPACK | Comments : 9

2 great gigs in 2 days at 2 proper venues


We all come on here and sing the praises of good venues and moan about the bad ones and also how recession, smoking, noise levels or whatever is killing the scene? This weekend we played Whittles in Oldham on Friday and The pub in Lancaster on Saturday. Both were amazing gigs for us but, more importantly, they were packed with enthusiastic punters who were making a mockery of the 'staying in' culture. Now I can't speak for Lancaster in terms of the local economy and how much money there is to spend but Oldham is very similar to where we live in Bolton in so many ways and they have 2 cracking, well supported, venues in Whittles and The Cricketers in Shaw. You may well have seen my post about The Butchers here in Bolton pulling the plug on bands and part of the issue there is the geography of the place, not being a town centre pub for a start! Regardless of that you still have to create a place that people want to visit and put on bands that people want to see or they vote with their feet and too many failing venues are failing because they just aren't getting the balance right. I do think Whittles is ideally placed just on the edge of the town centre and far enough away from the chav pubs and The Pub in Lancaster benefits from being on the local town centre crawl and also benefits from the local student population, we had shedloads of em down on Saturday with accents from accross the UK but the place was bloody rammers! There surely can not be landlords in the country that could be happier than Debs and Kev @ the Pub, if you walked in there last night you would have never known there was a recession on!

I guess the point i am trying to make here is that pubs/venues entering into putting bands on must do it with 110% LONG TERM commitment, there seems to be a lot of venues coming on NWB with occasional gigs 'trying it out' but that simply won't work. It needs proper investment and long term commitment. We've all had it when we turn up at pub gigs and it's a case of "well where do we play or where's the power points?" We all know those kinda places cause we've all played them but how many times do we go back? I am sure there must have been many sleepless nights for Keef @ Whittles and Debs & Kev @ the Pub in the early days but them sticking to their guns is paying off and they bloody deserve it too.

BTW they are taking out all the benches in the window @ the Pub and building a stage next month which will improve it ten fold........See what i mean? Investing in the bands and their future!

Nidge

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# Posted by 45's - 08/02/2009, 13:14 (GMT)

well put !


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# Posted by Anthem - 08/02/2009, 13:42 (GMT)

we were the first to play the Pub and you could tell then from the outset that they were committed to the live music scene. They treat the punters,staff and the bands with respect and I truly beleive that this is the reason that places like the Pub, Hindley Arms, the Knacky, Boulevard and quite a few other places are not feeling the pinch. What goes around comes around, most of the places that have gone to the wall have had a few problems with giving respect to people and it stands to reason that it put people off giving their hard earned cash to someone who basically only gave a toss about themselves. The best thing about the current climate is a lot of the 'f*** you, I'm alright' places are not surviving, there have been some genuine places that have suffered and I honestly sympathise, but on the whole I'm sure you will agree, the words.....'what a tosser' will become rarer and rarer when mentioning landlords/landladys.


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# Posted by viking - 08/02/2009, 17:12 (GMT)

wolfpack-think you've got it just about right there?
i can only speak from my time working alongside alan (cricketers) over the past eighteen months or so-he's turned the venue round completely in my opinion in that time, due in the main to making sure it was a chav free zone and a safe enviroment for the cross section of ages that attend, taking the time to get to know his clientelle and their tastes-treating them as friends as well as customers,and, i think it's fair to say, treating the bands with respect. there are "glitches" every now and again, agreed, but that's always been the case.the evidence for "what he does works" is that he now has people coming from as far afield as eccles to attend, plus a solid base of rock afficionados who all know each other, as well as the bands, making for a fun, enjoyable evening for all. i believe that premise applies to all the other venues where a band and audience come away saying "that worked"!!!


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# Posted by WOLFPACK - 08/02/2009, 17:16 (GMT)

Cheers Viking
I think a fine example of the 'chancers' that appear on the scene from time to time is not 50 yards from the Cricketers. What is the point of setting up an alternative venue directly facing an established one? If I were a band playing at the other venue I wouldn't be happy as what audience are they going to realistically pull in? Ok a band playing at the new venue may argue that it's not for the likes of me to dictate whether or not they accept a paid gig or not, granted it's getting hard out there, but Wolfpack would certainly not play the same town as an established 'similar style' band on the same night. We have played in the same locality as blues bands and punk bands on the same night but that's an entirely different audience so we know those that prefer our style of music will come see us, and vice versa.

did anyone hear Jon from The Hark To Towler on Rock Radio this past week? His comments about "would you prefer to play on a proper stage or in front of a fireplace" summed a lot of venues up to a tee!


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# Posted by THE CHARLY SYNDROME - 11/02/2009, 14:44 (GMT)

YOU COULD'NT OF PUT IT BETTER.


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# Posted by "The Venue" previous... - 11/02/2009, 20:52 (GMT)

Well WOLFPACK if we are just "chancers" why is it that we are putting a varied array of bands on at our place not just "ROCK" bands we are listening to what our customers want we have pop rock, indie, punk, blues, soul and regga and Wayne Bently! We know the pub 50 yards away only play solid rock so we stay away from that scene out of respect, so dont start taking about something you clearly know nothing about! Shaw doesnt have the best rep and having another live music venue can only mean more people doing the rounds around the other pubs first bringing much needed trade to ALL the other pubs! so instead of being a bitch why cant you support other venues who just want good music and a good crowd in which to enjoy the music with??!!


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# Posted by W - 12/02/2009, 21:47 (GMT)

Bit hard that Wolfpack mate.

Some places work with what they have got. Is Wolfpack above playing a pub without a staged area? I hope not, my local "The Garrick" is a good place to play but unfortunately you would have to play infront of the fire. (if you do play there let me, I've not seen you guys yet) I've had some crackers at non-staged pubs. Its a pub mate putting bands on, not a place putting a band on and selling beers in support.

I love your kind of music but some people fancy a change, but if you don't want to be on the same night as a more established band then chnage it! I think the venue should book the best bands they can in order to provide a solid foundation and punters so you get to come back more often. I think you will benefit in the end...

Maybe chill out on the guys who's living is running a pub. Its not a hobby to them unlike a lot of us in bands.


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# Posted by WOLFPACK - 13/02/2009, 01:02 (GMT)

No Woody Wolfpack aren't above that but if you saw our set up then you'd know we are a bit limited where we can play as we have a big drum kit and backdrop, our choice, and it sometimes presents us with a problem granted! We have' however, chosen not to go back to certain venues this year because we can't play to our full potential, be that lack of room or that we were "too loud." I can't speak for everyone but we won't play anywhere! Weplay a pretty heavy set and we don't like playing places that won't appreciate a predominantly metal show. Sometimes we get it wrong and play to a venue that simply doesn't get us but we simply put it down to experience and don't go back. Other times we have been asked to play in an area that is too small for us and it makes for a crap gig 'for us'......My comment about playing front of a fireplace was actually me quoting Jon from The Hark to Towler, i happen to agree as, for me, those aren't the best gigs for us!


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# Posted by W - 13/02/2009, 09:21 (GMT)

fair play to you Mr. Worlfpack, you stand by what you say and that's good enough for me. I think you may have come across a little more arsey than intended.

I just felt I had to add my two pennies worth , but that's good and why we are here. I think venues are having a really tough time,and just wanted to let them know I appreciate what they do for us.

One other thing though, you got some good conversational going, so I think I speak for most on here when I say Bravo, its good to get involved in a debate!!!

I think its a case of you have enough popularity and demand that you can pick and choose what venues you play, you can also turn down the smaller ones for the bigger ones which is great for you guys. Most of us do struggle if I'm honest, but I think that's the thing about Classic Rock, it always pulls a crowd.

I'll look out for you at a gig sometime though METAL!


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