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floyd rose "Shaffer" floating trem

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Posted By : Havoc 51 | Comments : 26

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I spent two hours ... (two hours of my ACTUAL life) fiddling around with this just to change two strings. If anyone knows who invented this ridiculous system then please let me know where they live as I'd like to pay someone money to push dog dirt through his letterbox.

Changing anything on this during a gig is simply impossible.

Anyone know of any tips or shortcuts with this mechanical rubics cube then please let me know.

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# Posted by Smitten Kitten - 01/06/2011, 12:33 (GMT)

I hate Floyd Rose! very anoying! lol


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# Posted by Jez - 01/06/2011, 12:43 (GMT)

spend a bit more and get a Kahler. Fits on solid bodies with diy routing (battery drill and a chisel - 1 hour tops); you can dive bomb, bend it right back - stays in tune and if you break a string it doesnt all go tits up!!

My Kramer focus has the floyd rose sprung back so it only dive bombs - best way!!! (think you can buy "stops" now to modify floating trems in same way


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# Posted by HARD TO HANDLE - 01/06/2011, 12:45 (GMT)

i think you'll find its a Schaller Floyd Rose - made in germany

When set-up correctly - a decent quality Floyd is super reliable and easy to use.


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# Posted by James - Metalleeka - 01/06/2011, 12:54 (GMT)

beat me to it Max... yes a schaller fr is probably one of the better ones..

is this your first outing with a floyd rose.. they take some getting used to and can put many a budding guitarist off.. but for live performance a spare guitar is a must.. (preferably a hard tail one) lol


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 01/06/2011, 12:59 (GMT)

What Max and James said. There are LOADS of Floyd Rose set-up videos on youtube. It takes me 25 mins at most to restring a Floyd Rose equipped guitar. I wouldn't be without a double locking trem on my guitars. For perfect tuning stability there's no substitute. Not even Wilkinson OR PRS.


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# Posted by James - Metalleeka - 01/06/2011, 13:02 (GMT)

would this be the floyd system on your Havocaster??


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# Posted by Smitten Kitten - 01/06/2011, 13:31 (GMT)

I can't deal with them........ why would I want my bridge to move while I'm playing? :P


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 01/06/2011, 13:46 (GMT)

Perhaps you'd like to address that question to mr Vai matey ;o)


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# Posted by Smitten Kitten - 01/06/2011, 13:56 (GMT)

ahaha, obviously works for some people, just not me hahaha


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# Posted by James - Metalleeka - 01/06/2011, 14:08 (GMT)

@Mick.. or EVH??


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 01/06/2011, 14:11 (GMT)

I was going to put EVH mate, but his isn't floating. Easier to set up but not as versatile. :o)


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# Posted by Havoc 51 - 01/06/2011, 14:16 (GMT)

Yeah it's the custom guitar and apologies it's the schaller trem. It's the first time I've taken it apart and it came as a shock when everything went tits up once the first string came off. Plus I still can't get my head round the string being cropped and held by the last 1/4 to 1/2 inch. Once it's set up it's incredible and no matter how many pulls, bends, gargles you put it through it's perfect.



My main workhorse guitar is a lovely red rubber Ibanez RG 370 DX with a HSH trem where you just slot the string in. That system works and has never been out of tune since I got it two years ago.


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# Posted by Smitten Kitten - 01/06/2011, 14:28 (GMT)

Have you not changed the strings on your Ibanez in 2 years? :P


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# Posted by HARD TO HANDLE - 01/06/2011, 14:28 (GMT)

yes!

Ibanez addressed the whole confusion of chopping yyer balls off in 2002 - with the Edge Pro and Edge Pro2 trems where you put the ballend into the saddles and then clamp

Made it alot easier for beginners..............

see my website trem help page : www.cottamguitars.co.uk/index.php

Max


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# Posted by Jez - 01/06/2011, 14:37 (GMT)

...as did Kahler in the 80s!!!

http://www.gak.co.uk/en/kahler-usa-hybrid-7300-guitar-tremolo-black/35949

quite fancy the les paul version too :0)

@Mick - Think Eddie got by without the versatility!!!! LOL


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 01/06/2011, 14:44 (GMT)

@Jez, yep, he certainly did. The reason I didn't use him as an example is that his trem doesn't move when he's playing rhythm or lead, until he depresses the arm. Having the trem floating means a need for extra care with the right hand. Not wrong, or better. Just different mate.


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# Posted by HARD TO HANDLE - 01/06/2011, 14:53 (GMT)

Eddie's trem doesn't float............

1) for tuning stability

2) the D-tuna concept doesn't work on a floating trem............. only on a down-pitch only trem


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 01/06/2011, 15:16 (GMT)

Max, I was pointing out the difference mate, nothing else. The guitar in question here has a floating Floyd (recessed).


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# Posted by HARD TO HANDLE - 01/06/2011, 15:36 (GMT)

i know mate - just clarifying it for others...............

I get alot of people asking why they can't put a D-Tuna on a regular Floyd............
B-cos............ when you drop from E to D................ the other 5 strings go sharp - so it'll only work on a down tune trem only


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# Posted by Jez - 01/06/2011, 16:11 (GMT)

the "stop" I was on about was one of these :

www.floydupgrades.com/.../index.php

presume it does away with the floating aspect and takes it back to the old style Floyd - might be worth considering if you're not bending strings up with your trem?



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# Posted by Smitten Kitten - 01/06/2011, 16:34 (GMT)

Theres a thing called a Tremol-no if you want to block it


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# Posted by Havoc 51 - 01/06/2011, 17:23 (GMT)

I've no intention to block it. I use it regularly, both up, down & gargle. There's no problem with right hand choking either onc eyou adapt to it. It's just a pain in the arse to work on.


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# Posted by Jez - 01/06/2011, 17:42 (GMT)

well stop bloody moaning then!! LOL ;0)


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 01/06/2011, 17:55 (GMT)

It will become less of a pain as you get used to it. Like I said, look it up on youtube. You can get it down under 30 minutes easily.


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# Posted by James - Metalleeka - 01/06/2011, 18:42 (GMT)

i have it down to about 10-15 minutes... one trick is place a piece of foam or folded strap in the trem recess that is the same thickness as "neutral" point.. this stops the floating trem from changing angle drastically when removing a string.. personally I remove them all, wipe the board.. then restring bass side first.. I also don't remove the ball ends but use them at the headstock end, snipping the string length at the bridge approx 3 finger width past the string block..
tuning up with the "foam wedge".. means i have a very close starting point for "stretching" the strings and final tuning... if you use the same technique over.. with the same brand of strings.. intonation rarely drifts..


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# Posted by Blackjacks - 01/06/2011, 23:40 (GMT)

I agree with James, that's exactly what I do, had my Ibanez S540 LTD for 14 years and I have it down to 20-30 mins with a full clean down.

Saying that first time I changed them I did take 3 hours, but in fairness I didn't even know what the chuff I was doing!!!

Never looked back!


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