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Why don't bands evolve musician wise

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Posted By : Alyerpal | Comments : 66

and is it the reason I won't be going to see Journey?


Can you imagine, 2032 and Fergie's fledglings of 1992 still going out playing as Man Utd, all around the age of 60?

It's not going to happen is it?

And yet The Rolling Stones keep getting away with it, and for more and more money aswell!

You can change the members of a football team as many times as you like and it still remains Manchester United. Alright, some fans will always grumble that 'it's not the same without so and so', but that only lasts a week or so, and then it's business as usual.

So why don't bands do this? Why don't they audition new, younger players as they get a bit long in the tooth and rejuvinate the band whilst keeping the back catalogue and fan base going?

What will become of all the Status Quo fans when Rick or Francis pop their clogs?

Some bands are doing it to a limited degree - I know that John Lord is pretty much retired now, but Deep Purple keep on gigging with a new keyboard player, and YES have recently got a new keyboardist and vocalist who are both involved in producing and touring new material.

But is it the fact that most bands have atleast one or more iconic figure who IS essentially the band to the fans?

Even there, some bands have achieved amazing success - Lynyrd Skynyrd are still touring and writing with only one original member.

I remember thinking that AC/DC were kaput when the news of Bonn's death hit me, but saw both the 'Back in Black' tour and the 'For Those about to Rock' tour and was immediately impressed with Mr Johnson.

Genesis survived losing Peter Gabriel by replacing him with Phil Collins, who actually sounded quite like him at the time.

And I clearly recall the tidal wave of despair at college when it was revealed that following the departure of Ozzy, Ronnie James Dio ('what, that f**king midget') was to replace him in Black Sabbath.

If bands were to regularly change members, wouldn't we get used to the idea that a band is more than the original members? Wouldn't it be great to think that our great grandchildren could go and see a live virtual stadium tour of Metallica or Rush on Mars?

Or is it also the fact that most bands are reasonably short lived (in the grand scale of things) and so don't get boring?

For me it is definitely the iconic thing - I mean, would you accept a line-up of Led Zep without Robert Plant? Or The Doors without Jim Morrison?

This is getting to be a problem now, in my opinion. Thin Lizzy are touring again and I'm sorry, but I don't think they should be. Apart from the fact that a band that is not producing new material, but only running through the back catalogue is actually a 'tribute' band, you simply cannot have a line-up of Thin Lizzy without Phil Lynott.
Personally I would rather go and see a certain band of this site who don't even profess to be a 'tribute' band, but play the music with the passion and devotion it deserves, without playing (pardon the pun!) on the name.

And can you even consider a band calling itself Queen without Freddy? 'An evening of Queen music with a different singer' maybe, but Queen? I don't think so.

Maybe it is the very singleness of musicians that is in the end the downfall of bands. You can't simply take a handful of talented musicians and be guaranteed a succesful band, You need a certain chemistry and something that the fans latch onto.

Which is why I didn't get Journey tickets. For me (and this is only my opinion) it ain't Journey without Steve Perry.

I may only be a drummer , but I know what I like!!

Love to all

Alyerpal

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# Posted by JOHNNY MEERKAT - 02/06/2011, 21:32 (GMT)

Uh...Am I being replaced?


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# Posted by Kingpin (Keith) - 02/06/2011, 21:41 (GMT)

Al,have you hear the Singer from Manilla?

Agree with some of what you are saying but put yourself in the band members of Journey's shoes, they want to carry on, and financially some of them may have to. Trying to "cut it" with a lot of new material may not win many new album buyers, but playing the back catalogue to an army of their fans to what will doubtlessly be a sellout keeps it alive for the rest of the band and the new guy is certainly a credible replacement

Agree with the Lizzy point- why dont they sign Rog up?

Good blog


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# Posted by Rob Redfern, Black Rose,more f... - 02/06/2011, 21:43 (GMT)

excellent blog my friend

with the lizzy thing i did go to the apollo gig with the recent line up, but it felt like watching a trib, apart from the obvious inclusion of downey,,gorham and wharton, brian downey being there was what made me go, but after the gig i was left kinda on the fence and i preferred the john sykes led thin, that felt more authentic in a weird way..

i think Journey, like Foreigner have a new lease of life with their new singer, i think Arnel Pineda is great and very entertaining and ace singer

i enjoyed the queen with paul rodgers thing cos i felt brian and roger still wanna rock out and they did it with one of their old friends who is also one of my fave singers

i think dio with sabbath was awesome and exceeded all expectations, heaven and hell is an amazing album

deep purple.. the legacy is always there of Richie, but steve morse is amazing and blackmore made his crabby diva bed years ago and can lie in it as far as im concerned.., i saw DP at Bradford about 9 years ago, i really like don airey, but the lights went down and the intro to perfect strangers started i thought.. thats Jon Lord, the lights came up and there he was doing a guest appearance, so cool!

but the trading on the band name is really on the increase in recent years and a lot of it is a bit weird.....

Lizzy should sign Roj up as long as they allow me scott and baz to join too, ah..... thats black rose, come and see us for free!!


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# Posted by ROUTE 66 - 02/06/2011, 21:53 (GMT)

Most bands have a "peak" when they have their run of hits or whatever and then they settle into the touring thing taking with them the following they gained but its real important to maontain some original members, cos i`m afraid thats what people want to see.
Im a Dr Feelgood fan, and when Lee Brilleaux died the band died. They still carry on but with four blokes who aint original members. Its a tribute band. They are good musicians but, like you say, its the chemistry.
Cheers


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# Posted by The Subliminals - 02/06/2011, 22:06 (GMT)

"What will become of all the Status Quo fans when Rick or Francis pop their clogs? "

Dunno, but if I was in the stonewashed denim trade I'd be looking to sell up


I think it depends how important the missing member is to the line-up... not many of the great unwashed could pick out any members of Pink Floyd by sight, so a missing Roger or two didn't harm them...

it also depends how much history a person has in the band... Bruce Dickinson isn't the original singer for Iron Maiden, but he joined early enough and sang during the band's classic era... same with Jason Newsted from Metallica... he did enough to be considered a legit member

Rolling Stones... well, very few people have a problem with Brian Jones, Mick Taylor or even Bill not being there any more... if the 'core' members are there, then that's probably enough...

here's one for you... if all 4 Beatles were alive today, but George declined a reunion, and the other 3 went out as 'The Beatles'... how many would consider that a 'proper' Beatles reunion? not me... for some bands you need them all

for me, that'd be the same for The Jam, The Police, The Smiths, U2, Stone Roses.. it'd have to be the full 'proper' line up, or it's not on... whereas I can handle a few missing original Metallica, Oasis, Happy Mondays bods...

dunno what the difference is between those bands...


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 02/06/2011, 22:06 (GMT)

Just for the record - I'm not knocking any of these guys. Just like you lot they are musicians and want to play and make a living out of it. I just wanted to explore the idea that most bands live and die pretty much with their iconic members (and let's be honest - it's usually the singer: Bon Jovi without Jon?)

I am in no way saying that Journey will not be fab - I went to see AC/DC against my better judgement and absolutely loved it, however, 30 odd years on, I still think of Bonn Scott as the lead singer of AC and absolutely loved watching 'Ride On' off here - but personally, it put me off that Steve is not fronting them.

Let's face it, it's reasonably easy to 'be' a singer - it's a lot more difficult to invent that personae and write the songs that make a band successful.

Which is why, again personally, I have more respect for Roj and Rob and Scott and Baz than for 'Thin Lizzy'.

JMHO

Alyerneverimitatedpal


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# Posted by Roj (Black Rose) - 02/06/2011, 22:13 (GMT)

I totally agree with you Al re the lizzy thing, Like Rob I went to the redent lizzy gig and came away felling a bit flat as I did then I saw them with Sykes. ACDC for me will only ever be Bon Scott, I love their stuff, whilse Brain Johnson is good he ain't Bon that's why I don't listen to it.


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# Posted by Synthy Mike - 02/06/2011, 22:16 (GMT)

I don't know, The Fall have been few the odd member or two - as have Tangerine Dream and Deep Purple to name a few. I think the problem is that unlike Fergie's boys, musicians don't wear out by their mid-30s (unless they're a bit too rock and roll). I think the bands that do have a rotating door of "squad members" sometimes risk losing their identity and who they are. They either go off at a random tangent or end up just trying to be the musicians they replaced rather than themselves. Sometimes it works well, Tangerine Dream for instance were brilliant (in my opinion) from 1979-1983 but then I always long for that era of their music. Same with The Fall, their line-up in the mid-80s will always be my favourite.


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# Posted by MICK NASH - 02/06/2011, 22:17 (GMT)

I think the best way to keep this short is to write it in the form of a list:

1. I agree with what you say about Thin Lizzy, I don't recognise them without Lynott.
2. Queen without Freddy is a joke even though Paul Rogers is an icon in his own right.
3. AC/DC, still a great rocking outfit with Brian Johnson, and continued to develop after the loss of Bonn Scott.
4. The Blockheads, now, I saw these at Darwen Live in 2006…yes, it really was five years ago…and, although their new front-man wasn’t a patch on Ian Dury, they are still developing new material.
5. The Who, although down to only two original members are still active, I think these guys will answer your question when either Daltrey or Townshend kicks it and we see if anyone picks up the baton.

My conclusion is that, now, after several generations of rock music, bands have their day and become history )…and that’s how it should be because music reacts to it’s period in time (if that makes sense)...
unlike football teams who can carry on for centuries with different personnel (I remember the drummer of Herman’s Hermits making the same analogy some years ago and saying that as long as a band has at least one original member it’s not a tribute).

Good blog.
MN


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# Posted by Synthy Mike - 02/06/2011, 22:18 (GMT)

@Mick, I agree about Queen. I cringed when I saw them on TV with Paul Rogers. Totally the wrong man for the job. All men are wrong for the job, Queen was Freddy. Glad John Deacon agreed. It'd be like reforming Nirvana and having Chris Cornell singing. Brilliant singer but it'd be the most horrific match-up ever!


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# Posted by The Subliminals - 02/06/2011, 22:21 (GMT)

unless The Fall's got craig, steve and brix in it, taint really The Fall in my book :)


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# Posted by Jez (Route 69) - 02/06/2011, 22:26 (GMT)

never really my bag totally, but I guess Maiden evolved to reach their peak.


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 02/06/2011, 23:00 (GMT)

Thanks for all your comments - I'd been carrying this round in my head all day and just had to get it out!

The bands like Maiden who achieved their major success with a different singer to the original sort of make my point for me - I'm sure virtually ALL bands had some line-up changes (and name changes) before they were famous - but everyone knows the band as THE definitive line-up.

Even Kingpin had another drummer before me, but you don't remember him do you? LMAO!!

AYP


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# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 02/06/2011, 23:00 (GMT)

I've thought a lot about this since first read, and what I see it boiling down to is 2 things:

If the bands want new players or don't is up to them. We don't have any say other than record sales.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I thought Queen and Paul Rogers were fine. It wasn't billed as "Queen". On the flip side of the same coin I detest anything Van Halen with Sammy Hagar. But it's just an opinion.


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# Posted by The Wes Paul Band - 02/06/2011, 23:05 (GMT)

I always thought that Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey should team up with Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr to form a new group called THE WHOTLES.


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# Posted by Jez (Route 69) - 02/06/2011, 23:10 (GMT)

Think with Maiden it was def Simger and Adrian Smith joining that gave the Maiden sound.

With Mick on the Hagar thing; thought Why Cant This Be Love was great.... then that was it!!!


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# Posted by SKP - 02/06/2011, 23:23 (GMT)

u need to advertise for more business to keep u busy if that's been on yer mind all day!
more tea vicar?


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# Posted by Ian from Bolton - 02/06/2011, 23:26 (GMT)

The Stones are the Stones, even without Bill Wyman, Brian Jones and Mick Taylor. Long may they carry on.

I think it's hard when a band loses its frontman, especially one like Queen or Thin Lizzy. They certainly
have a right to use the name, but it's a shame when it's a pale imitation, or when you watch and every
note sung differently just makes you wince. Paul Rodgers is great, but singing those songs? I just couldn't
get into it. Many thousands could, so it's my problem, not theirs.

I can't bear to watch The Who without John Entwistle and their last album 'Endless Wire' was just horrible.
They are still entitled to use the name, but Pino Palladino replacing John Entwistle? Has Pete Townshend
no idea of what The Who SHOULD sound like?

The sight of my old favourites Slade without Noddy Holder was a very sad experience for me. Not that they
were terrible or anything, but it just wasn't right.

The new singer with Journey is fantastic. I'm not a fan of the band, but he IS damn good. I'd rather watch
him front the band than there be no band.


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# Posted by Defunct account - 02/06/2011, 23:44 (GMT)

Mick Nash - good to meet you briefly the other night - mentioned football and this might be closest to the answer. Some bands are centered around a world class centre forward, a character who produces hit after hit a la Mark E. With others there is no stand out member but they all put in a good organised shift (stokus qou) itsateam effort and chopping and changing members who can fit in with that "thang" don't really make no odds.

Bands are about chemistry, not neccessarily virtuousity ( looks right), but where there is one stand out individual they will to suffer or grow in their absence


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# Posted by Willow (of somebig™Fish) (Reti... - 02/06/2011, 23:46 (GMT)

theBigFish
(John, Willow, Clive, Jay)
theBigFish
(John, Willow, Clive, Ben, Phil, Dave)
somebig™Fish
(John, Willow, Jose, Sean)
somebig­™Fish
(John, Willow,Dave, Neil, Emily)
somebig™Fish
(John, Willow, Chris, Mr Blakes)

plus ca change!!

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# Posted by JOHNNY MEERKAT - 03/06/2011, 00:29 (GMT)

I'll be at the Journey gig in Birmingham on Sunday (I can't make it to Manchester so I am prepared to travel)

The fact is 3 bands (in whatever guise) of the calibre of Styx, Foreigner & JOURNEY, all for under £50 is a bargain considering the overall show...lights, sound, performance etc. Do you not agree?

How much was it for RUSH FFS ?? Yes I know it was THE three members (there was a drummer before Neil Peart apparently and a bassist before Geddy Lee) but am I write in saying they were £70 plus?

As I said <£50 ....a bargain!

Skips


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# Posted by the stories - 03/06/2011, 02:06 (GMT)

i totally agree alyer ,been to watch the sex pistols twice & they are my favourite band of all time but i wont go to watch them again ,ok not slagging them off & both gigs was great but its not going anywhere ,bloody pointless ,if a band can"t evolve there"s no point getting involved yourself .
Ok the stones i"ve gotta say they have evolved the music over the years & they have done some awe inspiring tunes but they are now coming to the end of their reign but fair plays to them they have held it together very well over the years .
Its just a shame that some bands just carry on & dont change ,ive listened to quos new album this week & its utter shite .
same with motorhead ,some of the band went to watch them about 2 years ago & i wouldn"t go as it would just taint any image of motorhead i had from the hey day in the early 80"s .
suppose thats why i like bands who change all the time eg the manic street preachers & radiohead & believe it or not duran duran & more recentley arctic monkeys.
The police ! one of my favourite bands of all time ,the last tour £70 for the cheapest seats & all it was ,a greatest hits tour ( & very lame as i"ve seen the dvd ),sorry guys but i ain"t paying that ,i know what get together & bring out some new music together ...andy ..the stories .


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# Posted by TEX & THE HARDCORE TROUBAD... - 03/06/2011, 07:16 (GMT)

Don't know about any of this myself, if I like it, I like it, if I dont, I dont !!!!
makes enjoying music soooooo much easier, tbh I couldn't give a fook where a band is goin or where they have been, fer me it's all about what is being or has been produced by em and if its shit or shit hot, kinda leaves room in my head fer more important stuff.....lol ;-)


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# Posted by ~ THE SUG4R BULLETS ~ - 03/06/2011, 09:50 (GMT)

A lesser know band than some of those mentioned above but my fave band STIFF LITTLE FINGERS have had numerous line-up changes since 1977 and still going strong, if not stronger than ever.

The current line-up of 4 with 2 original members is probably the best line-up I've seen live. Admittedly most of SLF's current live catalogue are songs from their early days (the classics), but they've evolved through the years and released new albums along the way whilst actually growing their fan base. Unlike a lot of bands, the fans welcome new material and you can bet by the time the tour comes round they know every single word of the new songs. It's like being in a very large family, tis great.

BUT I do agree Al with your iconic singer statement. When SLF's lead singer Jake Burns (only member to have consistently remained in the band) decides to call it a day (he's getting on a bit now), that would most definitely bring SLF to an end. Hopefully not for a few years yet though, fingers crossed.

Dean


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# Posted by VANKWISH - 03/06/2011, 10:00 (GMT)

mmmmmm,
good blog Al,

thing for me is, how could you resist, Neil Schon, Deen Castranova, Ross Valory and Jonathan Cain, probably 4 of the best muso's to grace this earth. no matter what sort of music you like. Seeing Mr Perry would just be the icing on the cake, but has it's not going to happen having someone who can deliver the songs with almost as good a quality as Arnel you have to ask WHY THE HELL NOT.

with 2 albums under his belt and both of a very high standard why is this not evolvement??

thats just for starters, as mentioned above,
Manics, Queen, Black Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, Pink Floyd and Van Halen to name just a few have all carried on.

if given the chance to see the bands with original line up, would that still be as good as an injection of new blood, or would it be a little stale?????

anyway for me, JOURNEY are still with or without Steve my fave band and shall be singing my friggin head off, hopefully they will hear me and sign me up when Arnel gets pushed, err sorry falls of the stage!!!!!!

Marc.


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 03/06/2011, 10:17 (GMT)

@ Marc, I actually wasn't having a go at Journey in this particular context, and I know alot of people who like the post Perry stuff, but for me personally it has to be Perry. The fact that Journey have never again achieved the success of 'Escape' and the fact that most people out there don't even know that they are still releasing new material speaks volumes, but that is true of many bands.

This whole blog was brought on by a previous blog by Off The Rails asking who was going to see them and I actually got to wondering why I wasn't - and that led to the whole train of thought I listed above.

I'm sure you will all enjoy Journey very much and I'm glad, but it just isn't for me, plus I was never much of a Styx or Foreigner fan.

I have also promised myself I will never go to see a band at the MEN or any stadium ever again - the MEN is a glorified icerink with absolutely no accoustics and as for stadiums, you might aswell watch the bands on telly. I know this is going to limit me on the bands I can see, but that's my decision. so with that in mind Skips - no I don't think £50 is a good price.

But as I always say - this is just MHO and it's nice to generate some debate.

AYP


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# Posted by ST Photography - VIVA LA COMMU... - 03/06/2011, 10:23 (GMT)

@ Tex - spot on. Just enjoy it. One point to consider though. Musicians improve with age. Footballers peak in their thirties.


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# Posted by VANKWISH - 03/06/2011, 10:29 (GMT)

yea, I knew that Al,

each to their own bro, trust me, if Mr Perry did join again I would be the first in line for tickets. if Freddie came back I would shit myself, I mean be first in line!!!

I'm not kean on the men myself, Quo did the best thing and had a hanging rig half way back, made a hell of a difference.
But I do love stadium gigs, It's the atmosphere.

Alyeriwantalogoforthefrontofmykitpleasepal!!!


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# Posted by Mutha Humbucker - 03/06/2011, 11:19 (GMT)

The saying goes all good things come to an end.. but the inspiration lives on through new bands. It would be good to know that The Bands I grew up listening to will be aroung till the day I die .. but then if the line up changes all the time I would find it hard to accept that it was the same band ..... but then some of my favourite bands have lost members and had to replace them and kept the spirit and sound alive.

Cool topic gets you thinking and questions a lot of the bands I like ... theoretically are they the band they say they are now or does rolling off the old songs, title the band?????? ermmm not sure how to look at it, but interesting indeed.

The easiest way is follow your heart with music.... I used to love Gun's N Roses but if u handed me a ticket to see them live I would be that bothered ... its not GNR to me without Slash Duff Matt (errmm Steve Adler) etc.. but thats because I had a big emotional attachment to the Albums but then they even had line up changes...

CONFUSED ADE FROM MUTHA HUMBUCKER \\M//


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# Posted by Jez (Route 69) - 03/06/2011, 12:41 (GMT)

@AYP... wasn't it Steven Taylor on the skins for Kingpin?


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 03/06/2011, 12:49 (GMT)

Bugger! Always wanted to be an icon! 8-P

AYP


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# Posted by JOHNNY MEERKAT - 03/06/2011, 12:55 (GMT)

I remember Steve Taylor...great bloke and fantastic drummer...far better than the one they have now!!

And always pleasant to talk to..nice chap Steve.


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# Posted by Kev - 03/06/2011, 13:02 (GMT)

Hmmm..best gig i never did. Few years ago we organised a festival. one of the acts were The Animals. Now:
for a start, no Eric Burdon, so was it really the Animals? The guys were staying over at a local hotel and agreed to do a few numbers at the aftershow shindig. Chas Chandler had to go straight after the festival so I was lined up to play bass! As it happened there was a disagreement with the manager of the place and we never did any live sets. It was left to Mike Sweeney to dj the evening. My question is; If the gig had gone ahead would I have been playing with the Animals if there was no Eric & no Chas? hmmm not sure.
Would I have told everybody I played with the Animals?..HELL YEH !!!!...wouldnt you?

Kev


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# Posted by Willow (of somebig™Fish) (Reti... - 03/06/2011, 13:03 (GMT)

i'm right with you on the stadium/arena thing Al ....
It means i've never seen Springsteen or The Stones and a whole host of other bands who I might have liked.
But I don't like throwing money away, and if I did, well I'd just throw it away!


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 03/06/2011, 13:05 (GMT)

My question is - who the hell booked Mike Sweeney as the DJ?

Alyernotevenasgoodadrummerastheguyswhodidn'tmakeitintoKingpineventhoughI'dliketobepal


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# Posted by Kev - 03/06/2011, 13:07 (GMT)

he was resident dj at the club Al..so no choice..lol. And the Salford Jets did a set at the festival :0)


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# Posted by Kingpin (Keith) - 03/06/2011, 13:12 (GMT)

@Kev-not something you want to be admitting that matey

"Would I have told everybody I played with the Animals?.."

LMAO


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# Posted by JOHNNY MEERKAT - 03/06/2011, 13:15 (GMT)

And Steve never had a cross word and wold get on with everyone ;0)


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# Posted by Kev - 03/06/2011, 13:26 (GMT)

@ Keith - smutty boy, go wash yer mucky mind out with soap and water! Could have been worse .. could have been the Quireboys lol


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# Posted by ~ THE SUG4R BULLETS ~ - 03/06/2011, 13:27 (GMT)

@Kev - The Animals are playing at the Ramsbottom 3 day Festival - www.ramsbottomfestival.com/festival/information/line-up

Was thinking of going but I can't see how they can justify charging those prices for the line-up...£70 + £6 booking fee WTF.

I only paid £50 to see the Big 4 last year...bit of a difference.

Dean


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# Posted by James - Metalleeka - 03/06/2011, 13:28 (GMT)

No one has mentioned another of my fave bands, that a similar transition period.. MARILLION..

I see them very much as "different" bands as there style has evolved due to the Steve Hogarth's writing style and technology.

As with Steve Perry--> Steve Augeri--> Arnel Pineda...

If the music is new and you like it then I'd treat is "tranformation" as opposed to "evolution".


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# Posted by Kev - 03/06/2011, 13:30 (GMT)

Agreed Dean .. we charged £5 for entry.. mind you..you could've sat in the pub oppsite and heard all the bands for free..lol
And..I'm a bit upset I didnt get asked to do the Ramsbottom gig :0(


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# Posted by Anthem - 03/06/2011, 13:38 (GMT)

Totally agree with the Marillion bit James. I much prefer them with Hogarth who has (in my opinion) one of the best voices in the business. Fish had some cracking lyrics but a mediocre voice at best


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# Posted by Jez (Route 69) - 03/06/2011, 13:43 (GMT)

@Dean. Couldnt believe it myself (Rammy Fest). Bqadly Drawn Boy and the Animals £70+. A lot of a pisstake


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# Posted by Kingpin (Keith) - 03/06/2011, 13:48 (GMT)

Jez...badly spelt boy as well....LMAO sorry couldnt resist!

Coat well and truly got!


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# Posted by John Wilkinson: - 03/06/2011, 13:50 (GMT)

IMHO Genesis and Marillion both evolved and never stood still, They are probably the only two "progressive rock" to have actually progressed and not turned out the same old stuff. (As much as I adore Pink Floyd they never evolved passed Dark Side Of The Moon did they?)

Some fans may have not liked the music they made while they progressed I understand that completely.

I am off to see Journey and Co on wed and I will be entertained while singing along to some classic rock songs ( Can't wait to see Styx play Come Sail Away 32 years after the first time I saw them at Liverpool Empire)

Best wishes

John


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# Posted by Jez (Route 69) - 03/06/2011, 13:53 (GMT)

@Keith ... Fquck off!! lol. ...and this is typing before beer!!! :0)


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# Posted by ~ THE SUG4R BULLETS ~ - 03/06/2011, 13:56 (GMT)

@Kev
I mean I suppose...The Animals, Badly Drawn Boy, The Waterboys...named acts but really worth £70+ quid?? The rest of the line-up I've never even heard of, no offence to them & sure they're very good.

I've be interested in the Saturday if anything but the cheeky gits are charging £35 + booking just for 'that' day...pfff thats a lot of money for what it is.


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 03/06/2011, 14:08 (GMT)

I only met him the once Skips, but apparantly he always got the beer in and reskinned his kit every three months.

I don't know - you just can't get the band members anymore.....

AYP


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# Posted by Kingpin (Keith) - 03/06/2011, 14:58 (GMT)

I still dont think he reskinned his kit...he only did the snare when it had a hole in it, and I had to buy it.

He rarely got he beer in but I remember Jake who used to be at the Wheatsheaf in alty asking the band if we wanted a drink at the end of the night, Steve asked for a double whiskey and coke!

Getting the picture.....?


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# Posted by TEX & THE HARDCORE TROUBAD... - 03/06/2011, 15:35 (GMT)

I peak thrice nightly....pmsl


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# Posted by TEX & THE HARDCORE TROUBAD... - 03/06/2011, 15:35 (GMT)

LOL, I WISH !!!! ;-p


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# Posted by Kingpin (Keith) - 03/06/2011, 15:40 (GMT)

@Rick, no mate


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 03/06/2011, 16:06 (GMT)

Can I have a double poison whiskey and snare skin Keith?

AYD


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 03/06/2011, 16:13 (GMT)

When are you going to peak Wick?

AYP


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# Posted by SABRE - 03/06/2011, 16:26 (GMT)

thinking about the original comments from Almypal, how many of the NwBS on here
have suffered drastic line up changes and are still surviving realy well if not better,
Sabre was put together, ohh three years agoish and then had a major split up that disolved
the band faster than an elkerseltser in water a year ago, but after a new guitarist and drummer recruited
the band is back solid as ever. nobody has ever said it not like the old Sabre or whatever.

but we arnt famous, and we are a covers band and no original material.
changing one member would not realy be a drastic change, but two is a bit
more of a switch of line up.

pete.


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# Posted by SKP - 03/06/2011, 16:31 (GMT)

Scott remembers Steve from the days when he (scott) was singing with Kingpin...well - they werent even kingpin then.

i remember him coming home from a rehearsal saying

"we're trying to decide on a band name and weve got it down to one of these two....what do you think...
kingpin or mango mischief?"

The rest is history - so to speak,

well apart from the fact that Steve left Kingpin to go professional i think

and scott agonisingly had to make a very difficult decision in leaving kingpin, because the singer from the band i was in at the time "shine" left, and it just made more sense for us both to be in the same band.

who'd av thought that 7 years later we'd all meet again on here!
cya soon x


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 03/06/2011, 17:01 (GMT)

I think it's great that Sabre have managed to reinvent themselves Pete - and more power to you for it. I don't think us covers bands suffer too much from the 'iconic' problems that successful original bands do though!

I suppose tribute bands would have slightly more of a problem in that people expect that distinctive sound of the band they emulate, but even so, they can probably change band members without too much upheaval.

Karen, as the man that replaced the icon in Kingpin, it has been a pleasure to meet you and Scott.

AYP


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# Posted by Ian from Bolton - 03/06/2011, 17:35 (GMT)

Steve Taylor...Now THERE'S a blast from the past..


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# Posted by Kingpin (Keith) - 03/06/2011, 17:38 (GMT)

Thats true Al, with all due respect to the original Kingpin Line ups the changes have made the band tighter and better, I think this is as strong as its ever been.


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# Posted by The Cottonhouse Shakers - 04/06/2011, 03:09 (GMT)

Sorry but, for me when Fish parted company with Marillion the band died. I bought the next album (Seasons End - I think) but it was such a disappointment to me. I appreciate what they do but it's not Marillion.

'The Animals and Friends' I've seen but I wouldn't watch them again.

As a band The Pogues were better without MacGowan but visually it wasn't right.

The Stranglers were good without Cornwell. The Blockheads are a great band full stop! Derek The Draw does a great job for them.

Brian Johnson is a cheeky chappy who replaced a cheeky chappy - a masterstroke!

Maybe Steve Hogarth, Sammy Hagar and Pete Barton should play for Man Utd instead....


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# Posted by Smitten Kitten - 05/06/2011, 11:18 (GMT)

Your right......... but I saw Journey a few years back and they we're still great, if you had closed your eyes you wouldn't have known it wasn't steve perry


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# Posted by Alyerpal - 05/06/2011, 12:43 (GMT)

@ Smitten Kitten - thanks, but I don't think this was ever about being right or wrong; as with everything to do with music (or any of the 'arts'), it's all about personal choice, both for us a spunters voting with our feet and for the bands themselves,

I suspect that the real reason that bands stay mainly stagnant is that once you find a line-up that works, you simply stick with it and only replace members through necessity (like a death or irreversable personal splits).

Plus, if you were the singer in a successful band, would you want to hand over the glory to a younger guy? NAH! You'd just keep going for as long as you could wouldn't you?

The most popular songs / eras of bands do live on anyway in tribute bands (just like all those great composers who are still played by ever changing orchestras I suppose).

Been a good debate though - thanks to everyone who posted.

AYP


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# Posted by Andy Mack - 06/06/2011, 12:47 (GMT)

There is talk of a KISS X Factor style programme to replace all members-

The Peter (cat ) make up and Ace (Space ) make up is the same with new guitarist and Drummer!


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# Posted by Point Blank - 06/06/2011, 13:02 (GMT)

The Animals and Friends are playing in Ramsbottom at the Ramsbottom Festival on the Friday night which is the 16th September 2011......

http://ramsbottomfestival.com/

their special guest will be Steve "The Colonel" Cropper - if you don't know who that is then you need to do some research.......................say what you want about who should and shouldn't be playing and under what guise, but at least they're doing it and that's better than sitting at home watching Corrie!

There's some other bands on too at the Fest (The Waterboys, Badly Drawn Boy, Cherry Ghost, Kid British and loads more) and it looks like it will be a winner!

There's also this thing called a Silent Disco - now this is crazy - I'd never heard one before!!!!!

Keep it real, mek 'em squeal - rock on sweet brothers and sisters!

Rik

Point Blank


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# Posted by ~ THE SUG4R BULLETS ~ - 06/06/2011, 14:12 (GMT)

@Rik
Yeah agreed they're out there doing it but it's the punters I feel sorry for - £37.75 for a day or £76 for the 3 day pass. Not being funny I don't care if Colonel Gadaffi's their special guest it's still overpriced for the line-up.

BUT I do agree with your point about the musicians being out there doing it, like I say its the punters I feel sorry for.

Rant over lol


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