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I can relate to what you are saying, but not necessarily for the same reasons. I began in the cabaret circuit at a tender age of 17 but it gradually eroded my soul, until 5 years ago when I decided to sell the remains to devil, and form a band playing music written in the fires of hades.

But if push came to shove, and truth be told, I'd rather be out playing any genre with other musos than stay home noodling

I am only a young musician so my reply may not be through more life muso experience than other replies...but...

I find that Playing with the bands I have, I find myself looking for MORE than what the band scene offers as regards song choice and genre. I do like to play alone quietly enhancing my technique allround but to apply this into a gigging band would'nt seem to come around to often as everyone does seem to play the same "shit".

Soooo I look at it more this way...

I find that playing with my current band...yes...it has gotten boring and thats for all of us due to taking the crowd pleasing song choice option. BUT.. a lot of this was down to playing the same venues over and over. Same faces all the time at the same places. Obviously everyone just gets bored and ultimately so do we.

Since we have taken on new venues though, it is like playing a whole new set list. New faces and new sets of people enjoying us for the first time all over again. That is more appealing to me more than what songs we actually play. It makes me re-enjoy and sparks new enthusiasm for playing songs that we have by far KILLED over and over.

I do look forward to the day when my new found skills and technical ability get chance to shine though. But until then. Old borin shit it is haha

Hope thats not too off topic or totally nothing to do with what you have said lol







lucky

Well, where to start?...

If you find it boring to play, then you are going to bore people - so stop.

If what you play bores people - stop.

If you bore yourself - stop.

Am I boring you?

YAWN

STOP

Have a look at our repertoire. It's pretty diverse I think and we've left so many "pop" songs off the list so as not to scare some " Dedecated Rock Venues" off. We can drop on these pop songs if we feel the clientele would appreciate them on the night. ( I'll pm them to you if you like ), lol.

Horses for courses, I whole heartedly agree in the set list / Venue respect if that makes sense,

Rick.

W/Rick likes Erasure

@ Rob Red, Shhhhhhhhhh ! Fook off, no I don't,

Wick.

nothing up with that , 80s pop rules!

I'm quite used to be slated or ignored so here goes....

My reading of this is that it is a suggestion that the overall scene (venues, bands and fans) covered by MWB is a little concentrated in one quite distinct area and that it would be nice to see some variation. This isn't a new theme. I've seen plenty of well-meaning folk be slated for making this suggestion. Whatever! It works for you or it don't - thats the horses for courses bit out of the way - but there's a question missing here...

its deja vu all over again.

drum roll.................................,

Wick.

Hi 4most,I think all of us muso's know what your saying,but it could be easily misread that you can play these songs better than anyone else.Dont give up ,get out there and show em how its done.What a waste of talent,just sitting there playing with yourself...your words not mine....T

Rob, my Anne used Erasure stuff for her aerobic classes that she used to take. All 4's on the Bass Drum - perfect,

Wick.

The question's come up? So like quite a number of us lurkers you're basically saying you on the wrong course hoss ;-)

For what its worth I agree with you entirely - even Aesop put together a fable around this very issue - and maybe that's why we refer to our gigs as our "giving it to the bar staff tour" :-) Thing is in 2 and a half years we've crammed 300+ in. You want to do something different to most of the bands on here then do it, don't use their inertia as your excuse :-)

so someone says - "Can't see you getting away with it in most North West pubs"
i would guess this someone has never been within an inch of a Latin American version of anything that wasn't Smooth

"You want to do something different to most of the bands on here then do it, don't use their inertia as your excuse"

ta daaaaaa

s'easy innit!

Take up free jazz and turn up to jam nights all the way round the north west, play what you like and off you pop problem sorted!!

Self indulgence check!!!

;-)

4most,Why couldnt you get away with it in a pub ?Just look at our setlist,and we have to follow classic rock bands ,blues bands,yet 75 % of the punters say ,what a refreshing change from the norm,if you can offer something different ,just get out there and do it....T

i smell garlic

Sorry about the garlic,i Had a vindaloo at tea bristling with the stuff.Did i say what the other 25% said ?....T

I'd agree with just do it and try it etc

The problem is finding other guys willing to do other styles other than the general same old same old. On this site and other sites ...there generally isn't many open minded guys.

I know of excellent players who now sit at home and join internet bands with guys from all round the world and have started to re-write covers or write/contribute to originals, rather than gig and put up with the general muso mind sets and gigging issues. After my current band that doesnt really gig in the typical nwb venues ends (dont know when that'll be ) - I too will be off doing the internet virtual band...cos I cant find anyone who would play Latin/Jazz/Funk/fusions etc.

One thing I learnt a long time ago - don't try changing other peoples mid sets, cos they just laugh at you...yet their the ones that play the same old numbers or can only play basic 3-chord tricks.

Good luck in your search !!

B

"The problem is finding other guys willing to do other styles"

"I know of excellent players who now sit at home and join internet bands with guys from all round the world and have started to re-write covers or write/contribute to originals, rather than gig and put up with the general muso mind sets"

make your mind up!!

LOL

Hi B please dont take this as ganging up on you,but what is 'A general muso mind set' ? Surely theres nothing more diverse than the guys on here,youve only to look at the rows and arguments....lol....T

Perhaps I am the most qualified to comment on this as it was my comments which have been quoted.

Firstly 4most Wanted - You should move to Darwen as there is a lot of musicians like myself who love playing something a bit different. It's just a case of finding those people. Look at my bands-

The Cottonhouse Shakers - jazz versions of Ace Of Spades, funked up Muddy Waters, swing versions of Hank Williams..... the list goes on and on.

The soultrain - Northern Soul - nobody else is doing it.

Shantytown Junction - Southern and Central African guitar based dance music - Now come on...who else?

There's another four bands that I play with that play - reggae, acoustic blues and a ceiledh band.

Yes, the classic rock band doesn't interest me to play however I still enjoy watching a good classic rock covers band. This can be backed up by the amount of bands on here that I've seen and enjoyed.

@Willow - i would guess this someone has never been within an inch of a Latin American version of anything that wasn't Smooth

Not sure what you mean by smooth, but I have played Latin styles before in Gone Beggin' and it is I who added the Senior Coconut track.

My point is that it is harder to get a gig in a venue which is used to classic rock if you play something different. I don't think that is an unrealistic comment and I'm not grumbling about that because landlords need to fill their pubs and if their regulars want classic rock then fair enough....who wouldn't?

None of my bands are particularly busy which is why I play in so many different line ups. This way I always get gig satisfaction and nothing becomes stale. It is however difficult to fit in the rehearsals!

Sit at home getting more satisfaction? Not for me.

As for Latin, I recently booked The Giddy Gringos for Darwen Jazz & Bues Festival. They are NWB members and are superb. They are based in Rochdale so look out for them!

Gary tCS .... didn't know it was you who the comments were sourced from - just thought it was a general naysayer .... apologies for that

The "Smooth" in question was a reference to the Santana (featuring Rob someone) hit record

The point I was trying so ham fistedly to make was - you don't know 'til you try - you yourself have tried and succeeded, however limited the opportunities may be. My point to the OP was that the whole moan about different stuff was succinctly dealt with by Egbert and his comment regarding using excuses.

@Willow - no worries, and no 'smooth' is generally not appealing to me when describing alternative genres. I often use the phrase 'sugar coated' which means the same thing. And yes Egbert made a very good point......"giving it to the bar staff tour" - I like that. Haha.

We need to be careful here. There's a danger that anyone who expresses an opinion that is controversial get's labelled a troll or a dalek. That was always going to happen after more recent events, so it's something we should all be mindful of.

That said, I actually find myself agreeing with some of what 4most Wanted has said. Of course, if you're not happy playing music you don't love, you should seek other ventures. In an ideal world, everyone would be playing the music they love to the people who love it. But this is the real world folks and some people have to get by by compromising. Such is life.

Further to that, It's been said a thousand times before, classic rock is still the most popular genre in terms of bands, venues and fans but in my humble opinion, it's been overdone. However, there is always a flip side to the argument. I wouldn't normally go out and watch a band advertised as "classic rock" unless they had been recommended. But that's just my taste. Ocassionally you will come across a classic rock band that blows you away and opens up a whole new avenue to your listening preference (in my case it was Black Rose).

And so, in summary, it is indeed horses for courses.

Asa

I think it's a catch-22 situation really. Classic Rock is definately the prominent genre of music on these pages, certainly out of frequency of postings anyway and more classic rock gigs get listed on NWB than any other genre. People obviously like the stuff or venues wouldn't be putting it on!

Having played in a great classic rock band, I found that I didn't grow tired of the music per-say. I'll admit I did get a bit bored playing the "stalwarts" every week but the irony was those songs were the ones people in the crowd liked the most! However, the main reason I stopped doing the classic rock stuff was that I didn't enjoy the act of gigging every Friday and Saturday really - even though it gave me quite a bit of extra money each week. I could've been playing all my favourite tunes of all time, with the gigging schedule I had it would've still been a chore to me. I missed going out with my mates and spending time with the Mrs, plus I wanted to try something completely different and have a pop at doing something original.

I've never been a huge live music fan. Of course gigging can be an amazing experience but I much prefer creating it. I'm not even that keen on watching the bands I like really, most of the time I prefer to listen to a band's albums than go to see them in concert. I must be a weirdo!

Mike - interesting that ........ i sometimes find myself these days happier rehearsing and pissing about rather than actually gigging (still only sometimes tho!!) - and the number of gigs i've been to watch (both pro and semi pro) has been reducing drastically
I reckon it's me age .......... last few years I've been more than happy with no more than 26 gigs a year .... I can even see that reducing now!!

Not wierd at all Mike. Just goes to show that not everything is black and white and it takes all sorts.

"Everybody's born to do a certain thing
and if you're dead jammy you find it.
And if you're good at it just keep doing it
until you're fed up then do something else.
You're here to make babies and look after the place.
You know ?" (Billy Connolly)

@Willow - I think for me less is definately more with gigs, I find I really get that excitement back when there's been a gap of a few weeks (maybe more) and I agree about rehearsals - they're great... though that might be because there's an amazing kebab shop across the road from where we rehearse! But it's great to faff around, come up with silly ideas and just tinker, as well as running through the songs! I love rehearsing at the tail end of the week, sets me up in a good mood for the weekend.

@ST - I think that's bang on for me really (apart from the babies bit - rather a daunting thought). I can't envision ever doing the same thing for years on end, being a Rolling Stone would be my idea of musical hell - well apart from the fat tax-evaded bank balance associated with it!

Just been watching a few vids on the ol' Tube, came across a mass 10 page debate starting with the usual 'what is Punk?' then onto a more general discussion about music, tastes, personal preferences, one man's hell is another man's heaven etc etc....

Then I came across this comment and BOOOM:

"only fucking retards label music"

Brilliant I thought...

@Sugar Bullets - Bang on! It's obviously quite difficult not to pigeonhole music but I think in reality there's only two labels you need with music "good" and "rubbish" (or a less polite choice of word). Obviously completely subjective but lets be honest, it's the biggest deciding factors we all have when chosing what we want to listen to or play!

I can understand a lot of what the OP is on about as I'm guessing we're the same age and have similar musical backgrounds.

I grew up with the ZEP, Purple, Quo, Queen, Sabbaths etc. I burned through more vynil copies of made in Japan as a kid (inbetween proper lessons) than I care to recall. In my teens I was all over the place playing gigs from back alley dives to much larger venues, made a fair amount with some bands, lost a fair amount with others.

For me with age comes clarity. As a kid I'd get all irate if the guitarist in the band at my local venue played in pentatonic boxes, let alone not as per the original track. Nowadays it's more like, fk it there's only probably me noticed and as the punters like it who cares. I accept there are easily a dozen Kylies/Gagas etc who can do the generic shite, but there's only one Plant/Mercury/Jimmi etc. So you aren't going to see a replica. I've yet to see a decent Zep tribute

And it's that subtle difference which keeps me playing. I'm playing for other peoples enjoyment, not to get joy from fretwanking or right handed techniques that I'd get a stiffy from. I do that in the 20 odd hours a week doing scales & modes and from playing along with certain tracks that do it for me. Plus get into writing and recording, there's a lot to get from that.

Yes there have been and still are some bands that are simply crap, and shouldn't be doing it, but believe me there's a lot fewer of them now as you can't get away with it like you could. I've dropped tens of tracks from our rehersals as we can;t do justice to them, I'm sore most bands on here do.

Simply for me it's this. Play for the enjoyment of your audience or don't bother.

oooops double post

@Havoc 51 - Play for the enjoyment of your audience or don't bother

Interesting point and one which is shared by a lot of people on here. However, I personally get a real kick from people approaching me at the end of the night and saying "I don't like the blues but I really enjoyed what you did there - have you got any cds?"

If you only play to the audience in front of you then you never hear comments like that.....go on be daring! ;-) hehe

whilst i, in general, agree wholeheartedly with "sugar bullets" comment-for the purposes of discussion i'm going to ask the question anyway......

could someone please tell me what is meant by "classic rock"? i thought i knew-apparently i am mistaken (for example-"real excess" (ex-"rock radio") radio claims to play "classic rock" yet i hear tunes on there that in no way, to me, are recognisably "classic rock"?)


plus-to offer another side of the debate-i have seen, possibly, hundreds of musos over the years as a member of the much mentioned but -as far as i can see in the debates on here over the months-never consulted, "audiences"-and in my opinion some musos clearly display a singular lack of enthusiasm or enjoyment for what they play and that feeds into the audience response. the majority, however, DO, for that time they are "up there and playing", display a love of music and what they play-they could be damn good actors-who knows?-that is not the point-that being that if a muso doesn't enjoy the type of music they play they SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING IT!!!

it does a grave disservice,it seems to me, to the people who attend gigs to be faced by a lacklustre display of boredom when they are out to -more likely than not- gain some respite from their weekly stress or troubles by way of listening to music that they like for a few hours or so and go home having their spirits lifted by that music played by musos who can connect with them..

@Viking - good points but surely only aimed at those who play music for a hobby. Although I choose to play the styles of music which appeal to me I also take 'jobs' for the money as well. The difference is that you won't notice when I'm bored because-

a) a proffessional attitude will mean that my playing is not sloppy (not intentionally anyway)

b) yes I can act a bit as well!

Now, if you ask everyone on here if they have 100% job satisfaction I'm sure that the numbers would be very very low in the yes camp but you wouldn't suggest that people don't go to work.

As for classic rock, well I think that you know very well what classic rock is. The same as I know what the blues is but it doesn't stop The Animals & Friends from playing at Colne Blues Festival!

Liking the love, keep the moisture

So what you're saying is there are only the 20 to 30 musicians that make up Gary's (tCS) 7 bands in the whole of the North West - there's none left for you to join up with???
No-one said it was easy (Yes, I said s'easy, meaning the get up and do it) ...... usually nothing worthwhile is ever easy ......

I didn't think the original comment was at all controversial or elitist, just a bit whiney

You quote "the problem is finding like minded musicians who don’t want to play “the norm”. then say you're envious of Gary tCS for playing in "so many different line ups”

Good luck

i find it hard to believe that there are only a handful of musicians who would meet your brief and that you can't find them .......... HOWEVER .... i'm not the one looking for them so I have to take your word for it.

I still wish you the best of luck

Here's an opportunity for you

http://www.joinmyband.co.uk/classifieds/bassist-required-t257439.html

The Portlands???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!

LOLOLOLOL

Won't mean anything to you Nic (or 4most) I don't think .... but that's sooooooooooo funny given what went on a few months ago!!

Good sounds tho - I like 'em .........

@the cottonhouse shakers-indeed, dude- referring to those who only(!!) play for the love of music-those who are professionals, as you rightly point out, will, usually, "put on a show" regardless of other factors and do,of course, have to sometimes put on a brave face-however-. in my experience pro's generally tend to diversify in their playing on a circuit (as you do?)? don't stick to the same genre? ( a generalisation, i know-but purely for the sake of clarity).


again-for clarity-no one was being singled out in my comment.

i'm not asserting that every one must express "job satisfaction" 100% of the time- that would be disingenous and somewhat silly. further-isn't the subject matter under discussion regarding playing for pleasure as opposed to "work"? i am merely opining that-if playing in front of an audience doesn't give one pleasure then it is,indeed, time to call it a day-or perhaps find a more suitable alternative vehicle for one's musical expression? no matter how professional one may be-if the "spark" has gone out when one is up on stage it, more often than not, shows in the presentation of the music and is readily picked up on by an audience.

how many times have we read blogs on here reviewing gigs by very well known musos reporting that the "star" in question was giving a lacklustre performance time after time-as if they didn't want to be there. that, in my opinion, is not a good way to treat the people who have gone to watch (whether paying or not).

as for "knowing very well what "classic rock is"-i thought i did-apparently it encompasses a far wider range of music than i had originally believed-perhaps i'm just not keeping up with the times?

i will bow to your greater experience on this(genuinely!)-however-colne blues festival has always had a well deserved reputation for putting on an eclectic range of artists and musicians-encompassing a wide variety of blues based music, has it not?-and "the animals" fall neatly into that category, if memory serves me well? whereas kings of leon, foo fighters, sixties pop/rock, arctic monkeys and the like most certainly are not, in my view, "classic rock"!!! others seem to have a different view.


the main thrust of my comment was (and still is) to remind that there is a symbiotic element to music-audiences have feelings too!!


p.s. @ 4most wanted-i,also, wish you well in your quest-you seem to have a passion for what you want to do or play-that is never a bad thing, in my opinion. ;-D

The 'labelling' comment was in regards to, as Synthy Mike said, "good" and "rubbish", not the type/genre of music. Others understood so who's the fucking retard now?

All you've done since your dalek ass signed up here is moan like a fucking baby...don't you ever have anything positive or constructive to say? Perhaps you've not quite grasped the concept that this site is for people who share a common acceptance of each other's bands, different abilities and preferences.

You remind me of a guy I used to play football with, a great commentator but did fuck all on the pitch!

Dean...you on about Wick...he he he...

Haha...nah not our Wick, he's like lightening on that pitch.

@ the sugar bullets- a bit like - ermmm- a gazelle, by any chance?? ;-D

Bang on V - have you seen him PMSL

AYP

Mmm more like speedy gonzales...

Here's one for ya's:

What does Speedy Gonzales use to lay his carpets?

Underlay underlay!

@alyerpal-nahh, bro-but i've seen willow's "pre-match picture" of him (a case of....ruminating cloven hooved horned species for sporting events?);-D

@ sugar bullets-GROOANN!! lol!! :-D


BLOGJACK!!!! yayyy!! ;-D

I think Deanio needs to get his poncho......

That one's older than me!

AYP

he needs to get on the bus ................

arriva arriva

poncho, saddle and stirrups got!!

@alyerpal- "(a case of....ruminating cloven hooved horned species for sporting events?)";-D


did you see what i did there?kept to the blog subject!!!! ;-D

Making signs since 1932!

its not about acceptance(and shouldnt be), far from it, its about respecting someone elses opinion, whether you agree or completely disagree, i see many things on here that anger me and i completely do not understand, although i dont deem it necessary to resort to name calling,especially if its somebody i havent even met,and wouldnt say to them in person, ive had some healthy debates with a few people on here and theyve all become friends, i respect strong opinions and outspoken views, but i know where the line is

surely not worth arguing over this stuff is it really?, try the Lebowski approach, works for me :0)

best wishes
Rob

Did I say that??? Wow!! I like it!
consider it copyrighted - intellectual property rights an' all that

LOL

@4 mostwanted

I would suggest you read my post again. You'll note (clue is in parenthesis following my name) I play in an originals band - a band and a "scene" quite often held up to ridicule on this very forum. You would perhaps also note that I say that we have managed to cram in 300+ gigs in just over 2 and a bit years. My point was given that number of gigs and given that we do do something VERY different to most of the bands on here that there are plenty of opportunities to do something different to "the norm" in the north west.

Just before getting back to this thread I noticed a Bright Shapes posting. Another originals band doing something very different to the "accepted NWB norm" - would suggest you listen to the song they posted a link to. They too are getting through a raft of gigs - but unlike us they attract mainly favourable response on this board from those, err "plebs" ;-) - as are plenty of others.

What sort of stuff you looking to do? Perhaps there are others on here who might think hang on, I like that, bad start but lets give this fella a shout.

the reason i still come on this site is that ive made many great friends through a shared love of music, not some kinda classic rock clique etc etc and if im totally honest about 75 percent of my facebook friends are there from music

re the blog subject....LOL it would take a great band for me to go out especially and watch, but with that comment i am taking nothing away from any bands starting up, eg young uns that have only been playing for 6 months(weve all started there) and i completely admit my favourite genre is classic rock, if i hear another dicey version of alright now i may throw up in my mouth but i still dont wanna take anything away from any band doing very common songs, i still love to hear THOSE songs and i too have played some of those songs (guilty as charged),havent we all, i too search to hear something new when im out watching on a busmans, would some more bands please do more 90s alt rock for example, alice in chains,Red hot chilis, pearl jam etc!

if i take anything from this blog and discussion my own take on it would be thus

wanna do a free song?

do fire and water instead of wishing well

a queen song?

do keep yourself alive instead of crazy little thing called love

etc etc

if youre really honest about wanting a break from the norm im sure youd be surprised there is a lot of people of the same mindset out there

I just knew you were going to be boring.

I don't actually understand why you put this blog on in the first place.

I love a good debate and I love a good argument, but you don't want to do either, Not only are you derogative of other peoples opinions, you are rude and personal aswell. You don't want to enter into any sort of conversation: you have made your point and you are sticking to it.

So why make any statement on an open forum in the first place? Why make the opening ganbit of 'possibly controversial, but that's just me' when what you actually meant was 'here's my opinion and if you don't like it you are a moron'.

You had a pop at me for wanting to make a living out of helping my fellow musicians look as good as possible with my business and for trying to be part of a community 'Apologies that this blog is not advertising your business, or praising your workmanship, but hey, they can't all be about you eh?'

Read my blogs before you make sweeping statements like that.

You haven't said anything that contributes to either this site or the people on it.

Inspite of all that, I will remain for the time being

Alyerpal

i can leave a classic cd for a 6 months (eg back in black) cos ive heard it far too much, stick it on again,and get that same rush again, but i must admit theres that big degree of familiarity there(which never slides into contempt though) but its what makes me seek out the newer bands out there to get something new,albeit in the same genre

eg Black Stone Cherry,Alter Bridge,The Answer,Rival Sons,The Union,Reckless Love,HEAT,Saint Jude,The VirginMarys, etc etc

@4mostwanted - "I have a lot of positive and constructive things to say, especially about artists who are experimental and original, but unfortunately not for those who are devoid of any imagination or originality, such as yourself or any number of uninspiring cover bands around at the moment."

......I've just read your repertoire on your profile - which bit of it is "inspiring and original" pmsl!!!

If you don't like covers bands dont fuckin watch them - simple!!! I don't like horse racing - but I don't run into the local bookies and wind up the punters!!!

relax....

:0)

id like to go into the bookies actually and give random tips on horses haha

"try that one pal, its got a cool name, bollox to the odds"

' “Ultimately you're as good or as shit as you wanna be ...but woe betide you when you start to believe you're half as good as you're not!!

Spot on that. And describes you lot perfectly. '

So what 'lot' are you part of?

Al

Horses fer courses??
yup, we play loadsa stuff that caters fer horses ;-)

I think this particular horse has been upended at Beechers and is now lying covered by tarpaulin!!

Medic!!

its a shame people get all wound up on here(and we are ALL guilty of this, me included) seems people have strong reactions about this music thing, just baffles me why interesting debates on music on here often go silly and get heated, im sure all that make personal insults have some element of hindsight when looking back at what theyve typed in the heat of the moment. i love to see a heated debate, but within half an hour predictably and disappointingly always descends into manure throwing

for a reality check i sometimes show my other half some of the blogs on here(including arguments ive been involved in and /or commented on, to hear "who cares/why such a fuss " etc!!

Can't be bothered reading all this, but seeing its all my fault....must admit there doesn't seem to be much 'creativity' on here, which is odd seeing its a music forum. with musicians posting. I mean, I stick my home produced stuff on quite regular, which I do for my own amusement...ok, nothing earth shattering but at least I'm doing something....

Just out of interest, how many people on here actually do the same? I think it would be really good to see a bit of creative work (instead of all the 16 track recorders for sale :)....was interesting to hear Smitten Kitten's stuff....and would add a new dimension to the site, which, lets face it is dominated by covers bands

Medic? Vet, surely.

And for the record, I didn't get wound up once. I agree with absolutely everything everyone said. It's so much easier that way.

...what, what! (that's my new favourite catchphrase - I may even grow a matching twirly moustache).

I was scheduled to do "an album a day" in collaboration with some other NWBers but its been postponed.

I can't do original to save me life, but I like doing different(ish) covers .... and have posted a few on here previously to mixed reactions ......... which is great, all reactions are great!!

You've got a start Alec with your blues themed recordings .... i sit there with a blank canvas, and it just gets blanker!! LOL

Maybe i'll try something soon

Definitely agree about posting stuff tho ... altho I do now hesitate to put negative comments (even constructive ones)

@Alec

In for a penny I guess...

http://soundcloud.com/snofi/swamp-girl-with-krackpot

Is what I'm working on tonight

Don't be hiding your light under a bushel egbert - that song deserves a thread of its own (and a movie soundtrack to go on).

breathe and relax people, think Lebowski

I ask again:

' “Ultimately you're as good or as shit as you wanna be ...but woe betide you when you start to believe you're half as good as you're not!!

Spot on that. And describes you lot perfectly. '

So what 'lot' are you part of?

Al

@4most


...... and for that reason, i'm out ...... !

only tumbleweed from here from now on

toodles

........ EXCEPT ..........

Egbert ....... that track is feckin ace!!

over and out

@ Egbert....yeh thats more like it...bit of music on here instead of pointless arguing about how much do you go out for etc etc etc....
And here's my new one...yeh I know whats wrong with it...however I do actually want it to sound like this, but a touch better, so I'm redoing it tomorrow...like early 60's r & b on an old valve jukebox. It was inspired by our recent trip to the Laverda Owners do at Baskerville Hall..and even mentions the Bike n Hound...hahaha! I'm doing another on Friday which will be quite interesting to people on here, but its a secret for now!

@4most - 2 months ago you were asking for bands based on the fact that you knew 75% percent of the NWB top 100 and needed to play!!!

I might be a " "rawk" guitarist having difficulty following conversation", but I've got a good memory - do you want that in semiphore or braille?

http://nwb.co/blog/post/27945/4mostwanted/bass-player-available

choose your own insult mate, I can't be arsed

@4mostwanted

"I'm the "lot" that actually sacked a band on stage, in the middle of a gig, because of their incompetence, complacency and attitude."

Nothing to be proud of my friend, you would have got more respect by finishing the gig then sacking the band, never make yourself look a TWAT on-stage.............

Lee :)

4most

44k's sake man lighten up!!

I can't see anyone slagging you off for what you want to do, or what you want to try to do

Put as much effort into doing that as you have into this pointless blog and you never know what you might find

It doesn't make a jot of a difference to your ambition whether folks on here are shit, massaged, brilliant, conformist, complacent or whatever ......

Musically, as in life, some people have to do things for many different reasons, something you yourself alluded to in a previous blog - just get chanelling towards your own goals regardless of anyone else

D'OH!! I'd finished commenting!!

you could have learnt three or forty more songs in this time dude?

Well I for one have gone back to 4most's original post and agree with him (apart from the not accepting beer tokens bit - it's a luxury I can't afford I'm afraid but if I could achieve the same end in a funky band that no one ever saw I would trade in an instant).

I'm IN a "classic" rock band but I too would rather scoop my eyes out with a melon baller than go to see us or any other band in that genre I'm afraid. Yes it makes me a sellout (my words, not my interpretation of anything anyone has contributed) but needs must and there's clearly still a thriving market for it.

It's a debate that's gone round and round on this forum on a cyclical basis and my concern is that it's becoming a beast thats running out of control though misinterpretation of the written "tone".

PS Willow has high blood pressure (its something to do with him getting overexcited that I'd managed to do 2 poos today, or something to do with having tickets to see some sandal wearing bearded hippy type American folk chap) so be gentle on him......he's not in his right mind obviously.

Yawn.

@Viking - yes agreed, don't take my pedantic streak too seriously. As for the Animals v's the blues comment, that was a light hearted dig of which I have slapped my own wrist.

@the cottonhouse house shakers-no offence taken, dude-is always a pleasure to enter into a debate with you-i reckon, perhaps, we may have more in common than first meets the eye? ;-D

Looks like I came back from holiday and missed absolutely nothing. Still the same old vague generalisations and buttons pushed.

"I sacked a band from ***** because they weren't cutting it and the landlord of ****** agreed with me. Troll bingo. Lmao.

Ha Ha good to see ya back Mick,i thought youd popped yer clogs....T

Cheers Terry. Not gone. Just went South (US) for a couple of weeks :oD

Gator sausage in New Orleans. It's the TRUTH.

Post 101!

Not too late for a bit of input?

Just read the blog, but not all the posts. So apologies if anything i put here has already been covered

1. Now then the music written and recorded by Zeppelin et al is still and will prove to be some of the greatest rock tunes you will hear, not through judgement but by peoples reaction to them. The World over...
You will find yuor self listening to it again.
I ventured through the styles ( I still listen to anything) right through Rock, Metal, Prog, Funk, Reggae, Jazz Fusion Avantgarde.

2. I take from the comment 'after hearing them being played so badly' you refer to the cover bands in the venues, I don't think this is a reflection on the bands more of yourself and your maturity as a musician.
Besides a musician and a band has to START somewhere... there's no reason either 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 odd year olds cannot be allowed to 'murder' songs in front of the public.
Music is an Art form and beyond control of regulations, standards and 'OPINIONS' ..there are no rules in music.

4. If you would rather play (practicing new technique and trying new musical styles) with yourself then fine, you'll probably end being the best guitarist you'll ever hear.
I know some fantastic musicians who will never join a band again. But rather like painting cooking for yourself isn't it.

5. Good luck in your new venture / search. But in the meantime you may want to keep your hand with playing so like most people I know from time time you will may yourself needing to play a style your not too chuffed about, so don't burn all your bridges eh :)