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With all that gear, you could perhaps help Roj out from "Black Rose"He's after a sound chap with PA for the evening!...Check his blog, lower down on this page!
Pete da bass

hope you've got a crane...or a hydraulic lift....old Peavey stuff is good gear though but...my back hurts just thinking about carrying it :D

What a dad! Is he available to rent?

:-)

Would it be in line with the "showing off" thing to suggest that size doesn't matter ;-)

Seriously, what "number" do you play at?

remind me if I ever think of going to see you to choose a BIG venue ;-)

well I live four miles away in Atherton, so just turn it up to 7, save me going out..

Bird ith Hand?? Thats a small pub innit?

:D

am i alone in no likey this??

lol

Ah but power isn't the same as volume. Don't forget 1000W is only 50% louder than 100W. I always use at least 4K, it's the extra headroom that allows the mix to come through nice and clear and undistorted. Doesn't have to make ears bleed.

I agree, its always nice to have lots of power amp head room. As long as the channels of your desk are driven (not peaking) so there is a nice healthy signal then the master left and right sliders can be kept at 0db
usually just below half way on the sliders travel, This tends to be the music industry standard way of doing a mix, it keeps the mix clean and if the channels are driven just below peaking then the whole single is "excited" producing a pleasing eq and clean sound .
I would usually have the bass bin power amp's on full (or ever so slightly backed off) and the mid and top amps backed off, usually about half way or 3/4 full power depending on the power of the power amps and if the speakers/horns have enough RMS headroom.
The crossovers volume then control the overall volume of each cab as a final tweak if needed and are usually set the same every gig its in the rack and rarely gets touched.
This way the desk and the amps are usually set the same every gig, this keeps the whole process uniform however the crossover and possibly the graphic maybe tweaked compensating for the rooms acoustics.
Well that's how I usually do it. If you use the same Mic's in the same channels for each gig mic-ing the same instruments and the same vocals each gig too. You will be surprised how little you have to change the actual mix.
I find when you havent got the head room is when the desk See's a different mix at every gig .

The 45's are out on the 12th Nov otherwise, Luke our guitarist and sound engineer, would have helped, I'm sure, good luck,

Rick.

get on this, our PA is 150w hahaha its always done fine for us

fuck all this mega wattage bollox its all about the small setup for us

but i dare say if we had mummy and daddy lining our pockets we could go HUGE as well

Posted by Willow (of somebig™Fish)

"am i alone in no likey this??"

no!

Deep breaths Ben. We can't all be minimalists like you :oP

It all depends on the act , the venue and costs.
An acoustic act or a non rock act whilst sounding amazing with a larger PA can sound good with a smaller amounts of gear. At the end of the day its the size of the venue and and in an acoustic situation the order you get from the audience in the room.
Back in the late 70s I would frequent the odd folk and acoustic blues sessions and the audience had to keep the "best of order" with the whole crowd turning ( in Borg like fashion) to stare at the poor soul who didnt know the etiquette. Some guy would come over to repetitive offenders, running over to you in desert boots or perhaps Jesus sandals with diamond pattern socks,he would be sporting a biscuit coloured cardigan and glasses either on the end of his nose or hanging by the obligatory piece of cord. With a finger brought to pursed lips he would squeeze out a Shh noise followed by a quite word in your ear "folk room conditions son"
I wonder if this still happens? the last time I was at a session with those traditions was the early 90's.

Dad, it was more about his attitude to your good self, all tongue in cheek i'm sure ................

"Low maintenance, beer only. I'm a young artist after all, cant lift things ............. "

"..got a hydraulic crane called DADDY"

just had my hackles up for a second

5K..... Pah :-P

Try 9K for size.

Four 18 inch JBL's and Four 15 inch JBL tops

Two power amps and a programmable crossover....

...and my dad's been dead for 14 years ;-)

Good to see you have the gear James

@ James dad. Well done for supporting your son with his music.

Best wishes

John

Good luck!!!!!

fuckin peaveys PMSL..i wouldnt piss on them if they was on fire . any range . they shit

used to have a bass rig of a similar size, it was ridiculous!!

2 x Peavey 2 x 15 cabs with horns (not a clue what model)
2 x Trace elliot 4 x 10s
2 x peavey 6 x 6 clusters with horn for the high end!
Powered by a 1600 watt power amp and a Peavey digibass head.

Used to have it stage left and right and, get this, the guitarist had a trace elliot combo (tramp or commando or summat)

Mark Longworth will testify to this it was the most impractical, uselessly collosal bass rig ever and to be honest i get a better sound out of just a combo now. Back then i worried more about having a cock like a baby carrot i think hahahaha

i just googled what the word peavey means ...
its actually chinese for cheap sounding heavy as fuck cheapo shitty cheap speakers !
i really didnt expect that !

"# Posted by aguest - 31/10/2011, 16:00 (GMT)

fuckin peaveys PMSL..i wouldnt piss on them if they was on fire . any range . they shit"

Nice grammar dipshit. Got a night school in your area?

No worries James. We get these tiny penised little cot deaths occasionally. They have to do SOMETHING with their time when not rifling through the washing pile for mummys used underwear.

Don't you just love it when anonymous TROLLS slag something off that they have absolutely no fucking clue about whatsoever?

Ah, but this isn't a musician. It's a spineless, damp little weapon with a genital size akin to that which angels try to outdo each other dancing on the head of in large groups ;o)

peavey is shit end of ! im not insulting anybody , just stating a personal opinion .
if u dont like it , i really dont give a fuck !

yes u r welcome lol...go buy some proper gear and stop wastin yer money on pish lol

By the way Mick (Bad Horsie ) ... TOP band , loved yer show man @ griffin a few week back . )

Glad you enjoyed it. Now stop being a twat :oD

PMSL !!

lol for those of you that dont know itchy - hes actually very educated when it comes to buying musical gear especially that of PA types - and has a number of years experience under his belt in using PA's of various brands.

Admittedly - his tone could have been a little less in yer face, but thats just the way he is - if you ever met him - im sure some of you probably have as hes a big supporter of NWB's - then ud just shrug ur shoulders and say "thats him"

he isnt as much of an arse as he makes himself appear.... then again!!! :-P

still knobhead comments tho

why phrase them like that?

why not say ,
"I'm very educated when it comes to buying musical gear especially that of PA types and I have a number of years experience under my belt using PAs of various brands, and in my opinion fuckin peaveys PMSL..i wouldnt piss on them if they was on fire . any range . they shit"

how nice would that have been!!

:0)

pmsl willow - yes that would have been a little nicer haha
he's new (ish) here, he doesn't know how tetchy people can be, and how you have to write a full essay explaining that you're not being personal and have to put a smiley face at the end of any risqué comment so that the readers understand its all meant to be taken with a pinch of salt
; -)

"# Posted by Itchy Chipmunk - 03/11/2011, 01:24 (GMT)

peavey is shit end of ! im not insulting anybody , just stating a personal opinion .
if u dont like it , i really dont give a fuck !"

Well I happen to have ears on the side of my head, not comedy ear trumpets, and I've heard really clear, quality mixes from (specifically) a 10k Peavey rig using Hisys 2,3,4 and eurosys fallback. That was back in the 90s.

End of what????

Oh sorry. I don't give a fuck either. Clown.

Karen, it's not about "tetchy" it's about not being a keyboard armed tosser. "End of".

touchy bad mouthy horsie is the hard man behind the keyboard on this thread .... ( with his girlish names like ... dipshit , twat ? erm clown , tosser ) only you have resorted to the handbags at dawn school name calling not i ....yet ...
how old are you ? lol 10 ?

wrong itchy, so wrong
on many levels

Peavey is great, I love Peavey, Steve Earle used Peavey last night, I have a Peavey guitar n a peavey amp n Peavey speakers, I am sponsored by Peavey and have named my eldest Peavey

Now shurrup Itchy, you don't use Peavey coz you can't carry em upstairs in the Workin mens clubs n all the women with the bingo wings moan that they are too loud so ya use lil lightweight tranny type handbag sized ones, n stop bein peavyish, ya menk ;-)
Tex Hysis2

"# Posted by Itchy Chipmunk - 04/11/2011, 00:44 (GMT)
touchy bad mouthy horsie is the hard man behind the keyboard on this thread .... ( with his girlish names like ... dipshit , twat ? erm clown , tosser ) only you have resorted to the handbags at dawn school name calling not i ....yet ...
how old are you ? lol 10 ?"

Like you're the only one who's allowed to use an attitude? Shush now. You know who I am and I'm more than happy to tell you where I am. I don't hide behind the keyboard. Anonymous accounts are fair game. "End of"

Methinks Mr Nobody has resurfaced under a new name, as predicted.......T

am no expert on PA's ... very simply put .. if its good enough to convey what i want the band to convey to the audience it is good enough for me.... I dont like their desks and amps (notice the personal touch there "i dont like them") but their speakers have been regulars as far as front of house for me in numerous bands up and down the country ... i must have performed around 700 gigs in various guises over the years and would hazard a guess that at least 40% of those have been peavey powered (would need a calculator and more time than im prepared to commit to this discussion to work it out accurately) so i can say that Peavey gear has been good enough for me in the past.

As a side note in Piggery Bandana we bought a second hand pair of Peavey Coffin Bass Bins 5 years ago for £60.00 (a bargain (you know the big heart and wrist breakers loaded with 2 x 18s and a horn)..... these cabs were nearly 20 years old when we bought them and had toured around europe with a professional act and regularly (15 gigs a month for 20 years) came up with the goods, they served Piggery very well and lately have served LA80 for our first couple of gigs ... sadly they have now reached the end of the road ........ Lets assume these things cost £1k ..... you do the maths cos to my way of thinking thats pretty good value for money.....

I dont doubt that there is better gear out there but to make such an outlandish claim that such and such gear is shit is, at best misguided and misleading.......

Tell you what though if i went out and spent lets say £4,000 on a modern boutique PA System, would i get 25 years out of it?, would it survive 25 years of being thrown in and out of transit vans? would it be able to soak up 25 years worth of beer like the coffins have (they do smell like they are 20% beer even now)! Think we all know the answer to that one.

Having a clean,detailed sound wouldnt do some bands any good at all....lol...T

we use 2 x peavey PR15 active speakers. They kick out enough for any gig we've done and the sound quality is as good as you'll get.They're light &

The only time we add to that is if the gig is an awkward shape (like the wheatsheaf where the bar is in almost another room). We generally have 3 warfdale monitors (one 300w driver & 2 passive). Then we'd supplement the direction of the sound by linking in the 2 passive monitors to the PA speakers.

@ terry thats us!!

I wasnt being derogatory LA80 Mark.Im just saying that some bands are better off being loud and incromprehensible to the ears,for obvious reasons.....T

look at mick wantin a fight ...i knew the big ego`s would bite ...(u dont scare me by the way for the record)

PMSL yer easy to wind up u lot arent u ...touchy feckers !
feckin get a grip >> nowt wrong wiv peavey when its set up right.
jesus christ !!!

Pleased to meet ya jesus,always better to sign yer comments....T

..wound up???? touchy feckers??? I thought this was a discussion and debate forum.....

Your comment (and your opinion) was all peaveys, all ranges were shit....... now you are backtracking on your viewpoint ... you either think one thing or another make your mind up .....

Am not reading these blogs and hanging on everybodys every word .... if i think someone is talking bullshit i will retort ........

"Like you're the only one who's allowed to use an attitude? Shush now. You know who I am and I'm more than happy to tell you where I am. I don't hide behind the keyboard. Anonymous accounts are fair game. "End of"

"shudder" i knew my valium would come in handy (them comments make for lack of sleep) ;-P

..wound up???? touchy feckers??? I thought this was a discussion and debate forum.....

Your comment (and your opinion) was all peaveys, all ranges were shit....... now you are backtracking on your viewpoint ... you either think one thing or another make your mind up .....

Am not reading these blogs and hanging on everybodys every word .... if i think someone is talking bullshit i will retort


i was actually winding the poster up for telling us how big his dick was !!!
but people bit , so i got excited !
You playing too ? :)

Miss! Miss! .... the naughty boys are fighting again and taking drugs

Itchy ... that wound be like swatting a fly with a BMW!

LOL...thats the spirit !!
we need a comment "like" button hahah

:o)

Hahahaha. As if. Got passive/aggressive? If you think I'm remotely wound up by you, you're entirely wrong. This is FUN.

If you think trying to wind people up on the internet is fun, it's you that needs to get a grip. Ironic that you use "school" behaviour as an attempt to annoy someone, when the behaviour itself is ground zero playground mentality. Poor poor itchy. I wonder if we can get cream for you?

I think Itchy is right ,we havent had a good set to fer weeks.Anyway who gives a toss what gear anyone uses?..T

just realized ive typed wound instead of would .... is that a typo or some kind of quasi-freudian thing....

I agree Terry ... All PA's are shite and used by wankers!

Shurrup Terry you stirring bitch ;o)

Who used school Behaviour ? not me ^^^^^ read up .
Not very ironic huh ?
Get your facts right before you start throwing your weight around. ;-P

Anyways getting back to the original post on this blog....

My P.A is bigger and better than your P.A and my dad can piss further than your dad....Oh hang on amo, he's been dead for 14 years...Ok you win that one James ;-)

Best wishes to all

John

HaHa sussed again by Mick.Seriously though,i dont know owt about Peavey,but I think what itchy meant was ,does anyone on here really care what some kid with too much money plonks behind him on stage?correct me if im wrong ....T

# Posted by LA80 [mark] :o) - 04/11/2011, 11:08 (GMT)

Miss! Miss! .... the naughty boys are fighting again and taking drugs

PMSL ... still tickled me that one , which bloody school was that ? hahaha

# Posted by Wagontown(Tel) - 04/11/2011, 11:30 (GMT)

HaHa sussed again by Mick.Seriously though,i dont know owt about Peavey,but I think what itchy meant was ,does anyone on here really care what some kid with too much money plonks behind him on stage?correct me if im wrong

aahhh someone see`s part of what i am getting at finally lol

i mean come on...u cant come on here and say my dad has just bought me this pa that is big enough to fill wembley with great sound ,
and not expect a little bit of flack ?

@ itchy, flack is one thing bud, but to say those comments may be deemed a lil too far.

Gary

for the sake of my sanity lets assume this guy aint worrying about hair disappearing off his head and growing out of his ears and nose, he is probably a young un. He has been bought a lovely shiny PA system and is justifiably proud of it. In retrospect maybe coming on here 'showing off' aint such a good move..... but does this really warrant the whole "course in my day we had it tough ... we used to have to work 38 hours a day down the pit to earn enough money to queue up outside Harker and Howarth to look at a microphone for 5 minutes"....

He will no doubt have precious many years to work out that basically all musicians are cunts without having crash course lesson #101 rammed down his throat on day one!

he is however racking up those oh so valuable CRP's

@Best of Foo, if yer gonna call him ''itchy flack'' I'm gonna throw in ''Scratchy snatch'' ;-)
n shoes !!! we didn't have shoes !!! we had to polish us feet ffs, pmsl

all my dad gave me was hereditary hair loss

and a fascination with whether the radiator needs bleeding

There seems to be quite a few follically challenged owd gits on here,lol.
I think James will have sussed out already that were a load of opinionated, been thru the mill,bad tempered,easily wound up owd farts.....T

Tel: Speak for your bloody self matey... Actually I am an opinionated, been thru the mill, bad temp.....oh erm hang on ;-)

Best wishes

John

@ tex pmsl, thats brightened up a rather a shite week!

Boys and Girls, really!! Where's the community spirit gone?

What's the difference between saying Peavey are shit or saying the Beatles are shit? It's only personal preference surely. And one man's meat is another man's poison. (As Mr. Mercury will testify!).
But once again somebody has expressed a personal opinion and been jumped all over. Horses for courses part 2!!!

As LA80's Mark quite rightly points out: "He has been bought a lovely shiny PA system and is justifiably proud of it. In retrospect maybe coming on here 'showing off' aint such a good move..... ". Exactly. Who wouldn't be proud? But I bet if we're all being really honest, we're all quite envious as I know most of us have worked our bollocks off over the years because none of us had a "Royal Bank of Dad".

But James seems to be trying his best, as some of his blogs asking for the experienced to share their knowledge would imply. Supported by his rather wonderful Dad. Some would say he's spoilt, I say he's an extremely lucky chap. He's young, confident and from all accounts quite talented. How many of us would like to be in his shoes right now? If only eh?

And where are we if we can't express an opinion without being vilified? Somebody will always think something is shit. Somebody once pointed out to me on this site " You may not agree with my comments, but I will fight to the death for my right to say them". Surely this applies here? You cannot have a democracy without free speech.

So can't we all be friends again?

Thers nowt wrong with Itchy chipmunk that a good scratching wouldnt put right...lol...T

"# Posted by Itchy Chipmunk - 31/10/2011, 16:00 (GMT)
fuckin peaveys PMSL..i wouldnt piss on them if they was on fire . any range . they shit"


"# Posted by Itchy Chipmunk - 04/11/2011, 00:44 (GMT)
touchy bad mouthy horsie is the hard man behind the keyboard on this thread .... ( with his girlish names like ... dipshit , twat ? erm clown , tosser ) only you have resorted to the handbags at dawn school name calling not i ....yet ...
how old are you ? lol 10 ?"

Not schoolyard? Riiiiiight. Facts straight. Next?

"Thers nowt wrong with Itchy chipmunk that a good scratching wouldnt put right...lol...T"

I was thinking castration myself.

This thread still going on? I mean that In the loosest possible sense of course given that its gone from discussions about the size of a young mans PA through to what's best described as banal drivel. Still, people seem to be enjoying it, who am I to comment :-)

Poor James must be regretting his original post given the number of completely unrelated comments filling his inbox! If I were him I'd simply delete it! Them CRP's just ain't worth it ;-)

Egbert, im amazed too at the amount of postings this blogs got,but to be fair to meself, it got to 50odd before i opened me gob....T

BLOG JACKING ALERT.........

While we are on the subject of CRP points....... What are they for?

Do I get a free double neck 12 string and bass guitar in black if I get past 3000 or what?

Best wishes

John

You ever used UNIX John? It tends to do away with vowels...

# Posted by Bad Horsie (Mick) - 04/11/2011, 13:22 (GMT)

"# Posted by Itchy Chipmunk - 31/10/2011, 16:00 (GMT)
fuckin peaveys PMSL..i wouldnt piss on them if they was on fire . any range . they shit"


"# Posted by Itchy Chipmunk - 04/11/2011, 00:44 (GMT)
touchy bad mouthy horsie is the hard man behind the keyboard on this thread .... ( with his girlish names like ... dipshit , twat ? erm clown , tosser ) only you have resorted to the handbags at dawn school name calling not i ....yet ...
how old are you ? lol 10 ?"

Not schoolyard? Riiiiiight. Facts straight. Next?


Sorry mick....but u really are actually boring me now ! please read the thread

@ egbert...

I (think) I saw what you did there ;-)

Best wishes

John.

"Sorry mick....but u really are actually boring me now !"

Say it ain't so Daddy!

Just read the section on CRP points which includes: "What are Community Recognition Points?
You get points, for adding gigs, posting blogs, posting comments e.t.c. The more you involve yourself with the community the more points you get :-)"

Thinking back over the past few weeks Rumble Fat Band gets some points for some really helpful stuff regarding speaker cables, amplification and so on. Thumbtupper also gets some for dishing out free legal advice to some poor kid who's lost money to some nasty "dad". James has a few for showing off but also he and his dad have gained a few more for asking for and receiving help. A hell of a lot of people have posted gigs, often several times. Still, there is some value to the "community" in that. I know there are more you, these are just the examples that spring to mind of types of involvement with the community...

Then we get the folk who seem to delight in mischief and mayhem, perhaps not as many as in the past, but they're still there. Strangely they too get points for their "contribution to the community". Does that really send a positive message to the youth of today ;-)

egbert ... generally speaking the yoof of today are a lost cause .... someone far wiser than me stated we should give up on them already as a lost cause and concentrate on eductaing the yoof of tomorrow.....

Well ,ive spent the last 6 hours havin me brain sucked out by you lot,so i'll have to go and replenish my few remaining cells with a few scoops at pub.....T

course id better not try teaching them spelling hahaha

Tel.

Grab a pint of the black stuff for me wud ya ;-)

Best wishes

John

@ shaun/tex
i believe your spur is actually in the lost and found behind the bar at hindley arms .

@ wagontown tel ... i wasnt thirsty or even thinkin about goin pub , but since u mentioned it, i cant stop thinking about it lol ! few ciders for me then

@naughty horsie .. bleh !

@james i wish my dad would buy me all that gear ...or do i ? lol and happy peaveying !

<chuckle>

i, for one, await the 12th Nov (or rather 13th) with interest

Owned BIG TIME..... ;-)

Nice one James Dad....

As I said he is very lucky to have a dasd like you to encourage him.

Best wishes

John

@ Super Dad, just take any piss takes on here with a pinch of salt, lol,

Rick.

ps, did James get my pm and did he act on it?

@Super Dad. Post of the week mate. Well said.

Do you have a name dad? Seems odd calling you James' dad and I don't think I'd be alone in wanting to put a name to someone who's gained a lot of respect for what they're doing for their kid(s)

@ egbert (guy). I bet he's called James, just a wild guess. Do I get a prize if I'm right?,

Rick.

@Rick 2 free tickets for the bird in t' hand on the 12th November?

@egbert - "Do you have a name dad?"

After his latest post, I reckon "Mr. Vezer" would be well in order!!

@ james dad ..
gigging myself , otherwise wudda gladly come along .
I know what speakers you are talkin about i have HAD SOME black widows when i first starting gigging some 20 years ago ! before james was a glint in your eye !
I have lived and learnt since then , and that was my first (and last) pair i would ever want .
Ok you said you researched ? and get well paid 50-60 hours a week thats fair enough.
I dont know how much money you had to spend , obviously a very tight budget considering your purchase ?
erm i know peavey isnt chinese i was takin the piss.... which apparently u cannot do on ere cos all the old folk are touchy .
buy u a beer ? for ?
help you set up the mix ? sure i can answer as many questions as you like to help you get a half decent mix out of what you have.
how many other bands have u compared the sound to ? SKP ? johnny Meerkat ? ..Go listen to them ...you may change your mind on that front.

oh and look .....no insults or name calling ! , which other members seem to have a problem doing.

@ egbert (guy). The 45's are out that night with a really great, clean, detailed sound, oh fekk, what have I said, lol,

Rick.

wick ..u are at a advantage with Luke skywalker as yer sound teccy )
he could make a fart in a spacesuit sound good ! lol

@ Itchy Chipmunk, hahahahaha !

lol wick...like and a poke ! ^^^^

@ James/James dad - granted this blog has gone a bit haywire and gotten a little out control, however in agreement with Itchy where did you research? did you post a blog here asking people that use various PA's week in, week out, year in, year out what sort of stuff they'd advise for the purpose you need it?

These guys (itchy included) are the most experienced and knowledgable about this topic than anyone i know, and will give you a more brutal (as youve gathered) and honest viewpoint than any music shop salesman.

They'll tell you good points, bad points, what could be better, where they went wrong and what they did to improve, they wont blow smoke up your arse to make you feel better - they tell it as it is - all to make your decision making EDUCATED AND INFORMED, and WHY... because, theyre NOT after your cash, they just want you to get out there and enjoy what we all enjoy - perfoming live!

We as a community welcome newbies - weve all been there after all!
if youre happy with your purchase then great thats all anyone can ask, if it gives you the sound you want then great keep doing what youre doing, time will tell if your purchase was worth the investment - and if it was, then you can stick two fingers up at the doubters. If time proves you wrong then onwards and upwards, you buy different gear and learn from your mistakes (thats what we all do all the time, its human nature to always be searching for something better!)

Im sure Itchy (knowing him as i do) would love to come and help you set up your PA - like ive said - hes very knowledgable, but as with ANY PA you can only get out of it what it will allow and what its capable of, your ear for sound will be very different to mine and everybody elses on here - each to their own.

ok enough waffle from mother hen
looking forward to catching you sometime
Karen - SKP

@ Itchy Chipmunk. Do I know you?

Rick.

You know, and this is straight up, when Rick suggested James I was going to come back with " something a little more magyar like Ferenc" - except I think I had a z in my (mis)spelling..? Thought I'd get laughed at so didn't bother :-)

Damn! i could have won the prize!

Good to "meet" you

Yes Wick you do. He was at your birthday do at the Jolly Nailor.

@ Ferenc, pop over to our gig tomorrow and speak to Luke our Guitarist and Sound guy.

We would have sound checked by 8.30 so he will have an hour to kill,

Rick.

Sorry, I forgot, Loz has retired.

3. @ Itchy Chipmunk - you owe us a drink for being a cock and now you also cocked on helping me out saturday. You wrong about our gear; for the price I paid, nothing would be better, but I give you one thing, they are heavy

There u go again with the silly name calling...cant help it u lot cant u !
do u even know that 6000 watts means nothing in terms of actual loudness ? its electrical power
Db on the other hand ....

256 Watts = 114 decibels
512 Watts= 117 decibels
1024 Watts = 120 decibels
2048 = 123 db
4094 = 126db

In other words for something to be TWICE as LOUD as a measly 250 watt system... would take an amp around the size of king kongs ball sack(twice as loud is about 10db of the original scource)...dont get me wrong 6k of power could drive quite a few decibels more than someone running a 1k rig (but its only around 7 or 8 DBs louder) which is noticeable but not as much as you may think !
Its also about efficiency.
I have seen many entertainers with small setups blow the pants off big bands on the same stage with rigs 4 times the size !
When you buy PA things are not always what they seem, its all about the efficiency.
i could go on all night about stuff like this...but i will leave u with a link to read .

this guy on this thread knows his onions , have a read ferenc
http://www.axiomaudio.com/power.html

# Posted by 45's - 04/11/2011, 17:50 (GMT)

@ Itchy Chipmunk. Do I know you?

Rick

# Posted by Tubthumper - 04/11/2011, 18:29 (GMT)

Yes Wick you do. He was at your birthday do at the Jolly Nailor.

haha i think he wrote that very tongue in cheek ...

You seem to have a ball sack obsession. Is it the wrinkles?

# Posted by Tubthumper - 04/11/2011, 18:48 (GMT)

You seem to have a ball sack obsession. Is it the wrinkles?

pmsl !! i think i just like the word hahaha

Used Peavey gear with the Black widow drivers represents fantastic value for money, despite the weight and often tatty appearance they do tend to give reliable and adequate service for most pub bands, its a bit of a fools errnd trying to get mega volume in most pubs, the vocal mike will hit the feedback threshold then your snooked no matter what rig your running , looking at James rig about the only suggestion I could make is an active crossover, the passive crossovers in the Peaveys are OK but not up to the standard of and active, and the addition of a decent graphic to ring out the feedback. Its good to so young people so into live music, lookimh ta James vids he has a lot of potential . I would be wary of accepting advice from anonymous sources .

grooverman - why anonymous??

Im not anonymous!!

lol grooverman ur not to me because I know who you are... but u would be if I didn't ; -)

nah my pix up and website addresses lol !!

@Chris/itchy....................nope, spurs intact, ya'll feel em next time I see ya ya menk !!!
oh n yea, I'm the fookin pokeymon n don't ferget it !!! ;-) pmsl

James dad - im sure this would have saved you a pretty penny.. and whats more - you're aching back!
www.getinthemix.co.uk/.../mackie-th15a-mackie-pro-fx12-pa-package.htm

Look at the gig guide .....T

haha Daz - i know ive just read it... glad to see you 'lay' with the wet fish groovers - what happens at a gig stays at a gig n all that ;-)
just messing with ya - Itchy will get his details up soon haha x

@ tubthumper-hey nic-you really are going to have to add a little ermm-pointer?-to your screenname for the uninitiated? y'know-something along the lines of .....
"tubthumper (please call me surely)"
or, maybe'....................
"tubthumper-(never mind my eyes-check out these REAL boobs)

@james-if you are happy with your rig that's what really counts. :-D

@james v.-ah! lol!! be careful- that might become a ....problem??? pmsl!!! ;-D

Posted by James Vezer - 04/11/2011, 20:05 (GMT)

Rick,45's

Where are you guys tomorrow night? As it happens James is away for the weekend, so me and Mrs lucky could come and see you.

Ferenc


Fekk me Ferenc (that's not an offer btw) - glad you noticed my promotion all week ! - Jeez, well I oughta ....

Georgia Browns
81 Market Street
Hindley
Postal town: Wigan
WN2 3AE

9.30 Kick Off

8.30 Luke's PA Clinic, lol

Look forward to meeting you Sir.

Bring the gig diary and see Dave from The Hindley Arms for a Sunday gig, I'll introduce you to him,

Rick.

Posted by James Vezer - 04/11/2011, 20:45 (GMT)

SKP - thats Karen is it?

dont know a lot about PA's but I'm certain having our PA running at under 50% with 15" drivers produce cleaner sound than the mackie cranked up to 90% with 12" drivers. Maybe I'm wrong!?

Not entirley correct
The AMP used makes a huge difference.. the effiency of the mackies will sound loud and clean when pushed to the limit .
When both systems are pushed to the max ..your peavey setup will no doubt sound louder but not necessarily nicer though...
With yours at 50 percent will be as loud as the mackies at maybe 75 percent ? hard to work out...
15s have a "fuller" sound on the bottom end than the 12s(which makes 15s ideal for bands)...but the highs on the mackies would be clean .A full band with just 12s will struggle without at least one preferably 2 bass bin. although for one person they would be ok on their own.
Go listen to johnny meerkat, u will have an idea what i mean .they use 12" tops and huge bass bins with ACE crown amps and sound is massive.
Mackies are a very different animal to peaveys , cant really compare them.

What Amps are you using to power the peaveys ?

@ V, rofpmsl,

Wick.

Posted by James Vezer - 04/11/2011, 21:35 (GMT)

well... it stands six feet tall, I love it, can only have the amp up to 2 in the house. Just dried my self after a shower standing front of it ;-D

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Blimey, it dries you as well? Sounds like a good bit of kit to me, pmsl,

Rick.

ps, the mackies ARE 15", and taken from the mouths of you fellas.... the size doesn't matter, its what you can do with it that counts ; -)
I'm positive that system would give you far better clarity AND save your back, but you're young (James), and new at it (Ferenc) so time and experience will be your teachers x

Karen, Mackies, teachers? - you on the lash?

I'm here all week !,

Wick.

Hello x

Just thought I'd get in on the act pmsl :o)

how's about this for an offer,

I know shit all about PAs I'm a measley drummer after all, but, if Itchys up for it, our local boozer will gladly let you come n set up on a weeknight and from there we can try and help you not only set up your gear, BUT more importantly understand how it works so that you know how to fix problems that may crop up.

we're all busy gigging and to be honest gig nights aren't always the best for messing with sounds n stuff, it just winds the audience up.

anyone will be welcome to come and put their tuppenceworth in, even If its just to hit itchy round the head with a frying pan. .. joke! we're all adults here!

who knows... u might even get gig or two out of it!
so, whaddya say?

wick... wot u pappin about now? I'm very philosophical u know!!!

james/Ferenc can u pm me I can't send the first message from my fone for some strange reason :-)

realised that's why I deleted x

@G where the hell av u been lmao!!! someone mentions yr name n its like a fekkin sonar frequency - gonna start callin u batfink!

Chipmunk

I only tell you if you dont start on how shite they are. I actually know they budget stuff.

Bought 2 x Behringer PMP4000's they are 2000 per side at 2 ohm which is what we got. I got two, co'z I work in IT and thats watt we geeks do to mitigate one failing. I also got 2 x Soundcraft spirit folio mixers a Behringer FX unit for reverb and a Behringer six thousand something EQ (2x 32 channel)

Love to know how to set it up well

oh yes, also got a floor monitor

ok...so reverse it , the amps run at 500 a side at 8 ohm ? ( ie a standard pair of speakers) ?
Are your speakers(RX) 8 ohms or 4 ohms rating ?
what rating are the big XTs ?
my initial thought is them amps will struggle to drive them cabs efficiently, but will know more if we had a little more info.
behringer effects aint bad at all ...but nowhere near as good as the effects that should be built into those spirit mixers you have ? why do u have 2 ? good desks them or are they the ones without FX ? .
EQ is good , always nice to have a good EQ unit .
get yerself an active crossover for them peaveys, will make a difference in splitting the lows and highs.
Are u sure the amps are PMP4000 ? i always thought that was a powered desk .
do u not have EP4000 amps ?
sorry for all the questions but trying to get a better idea on what you have bought !
Looking at yer pic u have actually bought 2 sets of full range speakers ?

itchy, sorted a date for set up n advice/ knowledge exchange.... r u in????

no probs !
as long as i aint working that is

@james
It is unusual to use 2 sets of full range cabs .That is 4 big Tweeters.
it would be better to trade in one set of the full range speakers(maybe the RX )
for a pair of 15 inch subs , then you would have a more balanced better sounding system.
just sayin.....

I'm so sorry, I think I've hit the wrong button and adverts of my company might come up ....

[IMG]

ooops, indeed I did,

Massive discounts for "Peavey" users etc..............................

Unkle Wick.

I was confused as well why your mixing full range and bins without an active crossover, if your amps 4k into 2 ohms youll be getting nothing like 4k into that setup youd probably get more from an old peavey CS1500x and a much cleaner signal as well Beringher is budget gear to be honest, and you should always have the power amp on max and control the levels with your desk even in the smallest venue run the amps flat out you cant compare PA gear and guitar amps, an 100 watt valve amp and a couple of 4x12s will out gun much much higher wattage rated PA systems every time. its worth bearing in mind that Scottish plumbers will tell you that the more you tank up the plumbing the easier it is to stove up the drain, the more gadgets you have the more chance you have of ending up with a PA that doent work. keep it simple for pubs

@SKP I dozed off fer a week, woke up and thought I'd say hello pmsl

@Wick people in glass houses shouldn't blogjack lomao

ok i sorta get the picture now ...
The obvious thing that hits me is you have no dedicated bass bins .
If you ran both amps into the 2 sets of full range cabs ( ie ...1 amp to the RX and the other amp to the 4XTs)
You would be running your setup at 4 ohms...not 2 which means u would get 1k per side(instead of the 2k per side which it says on the tin) .
If you ran just one amp to the rx , then daisy chaind the RX to the 4xt , then u would be running at 2 ohm and getting full capacity out of one amp ...but the other would not be used .
personally i would trade in your 2 RX cabs and get 2 x 15" dedicated bass bins .
Then i would run 1 of your amps to the 2 X 4XT (which would be your tops) ar 1k per side@ 4 ohms (giving u plenty headroom )
Your other amp would run the bass bins seperatley and giving you similar power...
This would mean a 4k rig , but the difference between the high/low seperation would be dramatically increased ( your sound will be a lot lot better).
i know its pretty hard to follow , but if i had that rig , that is what i would do with it .
There really is no point as a solo act in running TWO sets of FULL range speakers, it just will never be quite right .

Itchy, if you'd STARTED posting with good information like this from your first post we wouldn't have been at odds.

would monitor not go into one of your channels on desk?

....i thought your monitor was powered.
bi-amping will just complicate matters for no great advantage.
Someone on here is selling some DB powered bins (they have good crossovers already built in )
and would solve your setup (run the 4xt WITH them),this will give you a spare amp(for monitors or whatever) and you wouldnt then need the active crossover ..
Please believe me when i say that using 2 sets of full range speakers in very unconventional and not very efficient .if you insist on keeping both sets , at a gig i would use one set or the other and not both together .
bass bins are built to handle and produce the low freqs efficiently.
full range speakers with tweets and everything are for gigging alone (or with added bins for the lows).
This is just my opinion and advice, ultimatley you will probably decide to take the 2 sets of full range out with you which IMO will always be a strange setup.
Keep it simple , less problems , more straight forward,make it easy for yourself and james,you will enjoy the system a lot more.

# Posted by SKP - 06/11/2011, 11:28 (GMT)

would monitor not go into one of your channels on desk?

its unpowered . Needs amping. i always advise to get powered monitors (its easier)
or even get some in ears they even better , someone is selling some shure ones on here in the for sale section.

With active bass bins and passive tops then you could plug the main out of the mixer into the behringer EQ...the EQ to the active bass bins and then the output of the bass bins back to the amplifier and then from the amplifier to the tops....(if u wanted to utilise both amps , you would use one amp for each side here)
I believe the crossover built into the DB bins are very good (.built in digital)
cheers

hope so....i will check with work tomorrow morning and check that i aint anywhere silly
either way..paul from SKP will be there too who knows the best way to get the best sound out of a PA too

hi ferenc
I would say no ..it wouldnt be enough.
it Be ok for smaller venues (quiet venues)
you want want 2 subs of at least 400-500 rms with your setup, otherwise you will be dissppointed.
cheers

Hi Ferenc ,
That is correct
Get yer amps up full blast and bring the volume down on your mixer .
Looking at your figures with your amps up full , then your mixer will be at around 40%
Make sure your gain pots on the mixer are not turned up too high , (below halfway is ideal)
It is better to have your gains(trims) turned down then adjust accordingly using the masters .

have fun )

I do apologise in advance , but i cannot make 24th.
Just had a week off work and is snowed under for couple of silly weeks !
I am not sure what karen has sorted but will speak to her too.

... what a shame. Just bought an in ear monitor to free up the second amp. Reading the amp manual you can link the two amps in to paralel mode. Was looking forward to your advice.