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I've enjoyed your contributions fella. All the best, Jon

Stick with it Scott!
we need you here!

come on you guys, take a chill pill,
kiss and make up.
it's bloody christmas!!!!
BAH- HUMBUG!!

please dont scott, it wont be the same
, your very popular and im proud to be a friend of yours, ive had stuff deleted too a while ago when ive gone a bit far with the jokes and innuendo my "whos the biggest trumper in your band" lasted about half an hour :-))))))

ive been upset the last couple of weeks at a lot of the fuss on here,but look at all these great people on here and superb community, and nasty stuff is in the minority, i am still distressed about all these stuff over the last couple weeks but i really feel controversy is over the worst and things are now getting back to the good ol days :-)

eh? I must have missed something?????

Think I have too???
what you talking about Rob???
nasty stuff?

Come on Scott, wouldn't be the same without you pal,

Rick.

I hope none is directed at me.....???
I put a purely constructive blog on about a venue, who have a history of pissing bands around - letting fellow bands know.......
1) lets other bands know to beware
2) lets other venues know that word very quickly gets around if they try to........

and Vice Versa....... venues can warn other venues...... say if a particular band had a history of cancelling gigs at the last minute

Simples........ Stick around Scott

Max

Nah, a thread I commented on has evaporated so it's probably me. I pointed out that the aggro on the thread asking for original bands was started by the insulting comments in subsequent replies rather than the original request for bands.
Jon

Scoot, Please PM me mate.

Cheers

Roj

Scot ya weegie Loon , dont go- why let the trolls win for a start !!

He will be back
Seen it all before. At the end of the day its a forum people
will agrre and disagree all the time.

@ mr nwb-am i correct in saying that, as per t&c's, on our profiles any comments, opinions, etc. are solely our responsibility and are not subject to deletion/scrutiny by any of the moderators, or yourself (within legal requirements,of course), and, along with p.m's are acceptable means of communicating any strongly held opinions? :-)

Scott. Take a step back and calm down. There's no censorship per se, but you can't have people throwing around comments like those that have been circulated over the last few days. It's NWBs reputation at stake. I feel for Paul. He's been put in an awkward position by the minority who can't see the bigger picture.

Sorry to see you go Scott.

Remember the Limelight in Crewe are looking for Rock Tributes on a Sat night and you would go down a storm.

Best wishes

John

May I just ask exactly what are the legal implications of a band stating facts about a venue who have cancelled them for no good reason?

Best wishes

John

@ Viking: NWB and its designates shall have the right, but not the obligation, to remove any content that violates the TOS or is otherwise objectionable

@ John FV: It's not so much the legal implications as the moral obligation to make this site accessible/suitable for bands, venues and fans and maintain the spirit with which it was intended to operate. It is one thing to state fact, it is quite another to insult people.

Ok got that but as I see it if I state a fact about a venue which has cancelled my band a week prior to a booking which has been arranged this could be removed so as not to upset the venue. Is that correct?

Best wishes

John

@ social tornado- thanks, st-that's pretty much as i understood it to be. :-)

@ John FV. If that was that was the limit of the blog, then it should not need to be removed. But yes, in answer to your question it could be removed by the originator or Mr NWB.

No worries Viking, Basically, we're all Mr NWBs bitches.

@ social tornado-h'mmm- not sure that's a picci i want, st? anyway- i'm more "catpeople"-as you may have guessed!! :-D

Ok so if a band insults a venue it can be removed but if another individual insults a genre of bands it can stay?

@ John FV. I can't help but think you're making this more complicated than it needs to be. I'm sure you have enough common sense and a moral compass capable of telling you what is acceptable and what isn't. Taking it at "face value" insulting a venue is possibly slander/defamation and leaves the individual and NWB liable to action. Insulting a genre is opinion and I'm not sure who the affected party would be. I'd have to see details.

Oh yes, and your question evolved from posting facts about a venue to insulting a venue. Very, very different proposition.

I'm kinda on John FV's side here.
Many of the bands on here operate on a verbal contract with the venue. If a venue cancels at the last minute or for no reason, then I would like to be informed of this.2 of the members of Happy Daize only have music as their income, so a last minute cancellation without reason (other than some kind of 'force majeure') means some kind of financial hardship, and without some kind of compensation, I find that unfogivable.
Likewise, however, if a band upsets a venue in any way (by playing too loud/being rude/causing damage, etc.) then I also think the venues have a right to know.
Just my opinion, you understand, but it's all about professionalism.

Rob

Jeez..and here was me thinkin we had the same premise as the BBC..to educate and entertain.. better watch my Ps and Qs from now on..Im off to listen to some Kevin Bloody Wilson tracks !!!

But how is stating the facts about a venue slanderous? They did cancel with a weeks notice and without good reason. That is a fact and you cannot be sued for slander if you state a fact.
My compass and common sense are fine matey trust me, I am more concerned that this site is becoming over moderated which will mean that members like Scott will leave in their droves and the site will die.
I find it interesting that an obvious troll can insult bands on here and have his posts left up but should we dare to have a pop at a venue for acting poorly we get either spoken to as if we are children or the posts are removed.
All musicians I know are passionate people who give their talent and time to ENTERTAIN. It doesn't matter what you play ( covers or originals) we all work bloody hard to give the beat show we can.
If we are not free to at least offer opinions on venues and such, what's the point of the site?

Best wishes

John

@ Rob: I accept most of what you're saying. I don't know about cancellations from either side being "unforgiveable", but they are certainly an accepted risk that we all concede when entering into verbal contracts.

In my opinion, incidents regarding venues/bands (and even fans!) should be reported so that 3rd parties can act as they see fit. It is unwise in my opinion to go beyond that.

And by the way If we ever let a venue down last minute ( and we have not done so in ten years of this bands life ) I would expect the venue to come on here and say what a bunch of gits we are.

Works both ways

Exactly where I was coming from.

Rob

@ John FV: I think I already answered that quesiton. No problem with reporting fact, but some people went (and continue to go) beyond that. If you feel strongly about a post, report it to Mr NWB. I'm sure he will deal with it. As for me, I will continue to post opinion whilst still adhering to the T&Cs for the site. It is possible.

Thanks for that ST.

I will report the post in question to mr NWB and see if it is removed.

Whatever music we all play, enjoy and always give your best.

Best wishes

John

@ John FV: Nay problem. I only have good intentions and the interests of NWB in mind.

ST.

Oh shut up or I won't buy you a pint if we ever should meet ;-)

I just hate to see good people leave a forum and a Troll wreck it

Best wishes

John

Ha ha, subtle edit from ST there. As a massive Genesis fan, I can't wait to see you guys. I'll take that pint and we'll have a laugh about these bloody posts!

We will indeed matey so you up for Blackpool on 11th/ 12th Dec?

Best wishes

John

Actually, yes I am. Where you at?

ST For F**s sake mate !!! Blackpool 11/12th Dec?/
THE EDDY !!


Blackpool and NWB's HOUSE OF ROCK

We already "know what Keef likes" so any requests ;-)

This is going dangerously off topic.

Best wishes

John

Ah, you're at the King Eddy, and we have a weekend off! (and it's just round the corner from me ;-)

Rob

Sorry for not being down with the kids Keef!! You there too. I could kill two birds with one stone....not forgetting we're also pencilled in for Them Crooked Vultures on the Sunday?

NWB group hug!! Bring it on!!

(How pissed is Scott gonna be when he gets all these notifications lol)

Seen this happen before on other message boards/forums - in fact this happens on an almost monthly basis on a well known drum forum I go on. The thing is when a public discussion board becomes so popular it's bound to cause dissagreements amonst its many members - its then when the site owner/moderators have to step in and I have to agree. There's a place to get personal and a place to discuss the music we all love on a business level, sounds like I'm sitting on the fence but I'd hate to see a bloody good site built for us go down the pan. Please remember that every page of posts on here is being cached by Google, if a venue or fan searched for your band you don't want them to land on the wrong page do you?

It says "NWB is a free resource for bands, venues and fans to promote gigs, listen to music, and to make friends with like minded people" on the front page.
We have had some great contacts from this site and made some great friends ... I've listened to some original music, sought and obtained advice and its my first stop when i log onto the internet. I dont much care for all the other stuff and for the most part, ignore it. Ultimately people are entitled to their own opinions - it doesnt matter to me, i like what i do (in a covers band) and know people appreciate our music .... if Mr Dalek came to one of our gigs i would try my utmost to convert his views (and would like to think we could!) im sure we would have a bit of a laugh then we'd be on our own respective ways!
Whatever!
I'd simply like to see the site remain as intended - as per the front page!
Keep it real - keep it about music but lets not be too serious :-)

Cheers
Steve.

(Feel free to PM me if you vehemently disagree ;-)

Seconded Mr Slinger, I agree 100%.

"Keep it real - keep it about music but lets not be too serious :-) "

Enjoy the world fella's

I'm coming to this late ... been out to see a top covers band ... From The Jam ... 1 third of the original band, Mr Bruce Foxton, quite the little dynamo ... excellent - but was it a covers band or an originals band??

Anyway ... did I miss something or did Social Tornado become the spokesperson / moderator / guru of this wonderful site - or do we still answer to Mr Bands??

Just that two (at least) initial questions posed on this blog have been answered in a very officious manner by ST.

Do we need to know more about this??

No criticism implied - just answers requested - but from the site owner/moderator/admin - not one of the many members.

Willow

and p.s. .......... really really sad that Scott, one of the most vibrant and positive of posters on this site has called it a day.
If you're still reading Scott ... come back!
Willow

Be a great shame if NWB passes
WtF

@ Willow: There's no hidden agenda from me, I can assure you. Mr NWB is still the main man. I'm just trying to help out. I'm not so much answering in an officious manner as quoting the T&Cs.

Long live NWB!

Scott, I have no idea what on earth has happened but dont let it get to u, take a step back and let it go. U have alot of friends on here and our support.
jeni x

ST ... yeah I forgot about the moderator badges that Mr Bands has handed out. I'm guessing that you got one then
Willow

If he has
can i have a look at it on Friday.

@Willow: Only Mr NWB has those kinds of priveledges on this website. Anything I say or any action I take is out of respect for the site, it's members and Mr NWB. Like I said, there are no hidden agendas with me.

And the only thing you'll be seeing on Friday Aiden is another inspirational display of drumming :o)

umm, what did I miss?

it wont be the same till scotts back on here, im proud to call him my friend and hes an absolute gent,i look forward to him coming back soon, we need to try and move away from recent controversy on here, to listen whats said, all look at the terms again individually and remember what we like about the site and what keeps us coming back day after day, i have to admit i have nearly left as well over the last week or so , not over the issue of comments being deleted etc, over coming on and seeing arguments time and time again, and while trying to ignore it,

im a sensitive geezer its not failed to affect me and mar in my opinion a great site,maybe i am naive not to expect differences of opinion on a forum, that has always been on here , just that lately the dynamic of it seems to have changed, and is currently leaving me seriously disillusioned which is the last thing i want,but like anything on here this is just my own opinion and feelings.

hopefully it will soon change for the better and get back to how it was, lets ALL use this as a heads up

Well said Rob !

Rick.

+1 Well said Rob.

Now, if we can just get the individuals who think they own the internet to concur we'll be golden. lol.

Jeez.....I think it is really sad that it has come to all of this but, to be honest, I'm not surprised.

I think people need to stop and think before they make their thoughts go public. Its so easy to think your just having a laugh, but peoples lives do get affected.

I was once slated on this site for cancelling a gig. People were quick to jump in and put their opinions accross. So what happens when you guys have problems and cancel a gig at the last minute....the response is usually the opposite...oh poor you, what a nightmare, chin up etc etc etc. This is life, and yes some people have no consideration for others and cancel for wrong reasons etc, but it does work both ways and it is not wise to put that up for public debate - when really who knows the full story (them, theirs & the truth)........

My own situation was totally out of my control and it would not have been wise for me to have posted all the details for the public eye. Yes, the guy did try to take me to court and failed on 2 occasions. Through posts on this site it did have an effect on our business, with bands just not showing up etc....Under certain legal clauses, I was advised to turn the action against the claimant......would I be so sad....NO NO NO!!!! What I did was just avoid NWBs and thought I just wont book any bands from the site again. Obviously as the months went on, I realised that this was stupid as there were many bands supporting me, wishing me luck with the issues I had and sticking up for me, so why should I let this one incident affect both our business and the bands connected to this site....

People do have a right to voice their opinions, but sometimes that is all it is 'an opinion.' I totally understand both sides of this debate and the legal implications it may have for Mr NWB (I could have easlily reversed the charges against us for cancelling a gig and pursed the claimant for far more than the original claim). Its all about being diplomatic and being able to see a wider picture..... and remain professional!!!!!!

Cyber bullying is the biggest form of bullying in todays society. I thought it was just children we had to reach out to....but are we as adults just as guilty? This site is for bands, venues and fans! Obviously the ratio of bands is far more than venues & fans so does certain debates become one sided?

This is a fantastic community and after a s**t shift there is nothing more enjoyable than coming on here and having a laugh. Lets keep it that way guys and dont get personal in a way that could affect Mr NWB, the future of the site, individuals and businesses.

Luv an hugs xxxx

Ps....just for the record, whilst the claim was being made against us, our legal team (through their decision, not ours as we would have NEVER taken matters up) were keeping a close eye and recording from this site.....YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS WATCHING AND/OR TAKING NOTES.......

Jackie for Prime Minister ! - LOL.

Well put,

Rick.

yep well put Jackie,
Wrecked goes into stealth mode lol
c ya very soon

as for Scott, sh*t happens dude, get yer ass back on here, it seems a few people miss ya.

@ wrecked-that's a (serious) hell yeah! to that, bro.

can we not just start a fresh ??!! forget whats gone on (whatever it is !) and just move on ? oh and MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL !!! XXX

hi gill , back in the country now, and trying to figure out what this is all about, seven days holiday and i have come back to nwbs website with scott gone and wierd stuff going on, not a happy chappy, going to go to scotts house for the story from the horses mouth. opps no offence scott.
idel chit chat now , see you soon gill, x

I am taking note of everything said on here and printing blogs out for future use..now..if I can just keep my colouring in between the lines...